Europe

The vote is due to take place today. But, as they have done so in the past, they may postpone it until they are confident of it being passed. Germany are believed to be opposing it too.

You can view what each country's stance is, on fightchatcontrol.eu

Yeah, there's enough posted on the open web that one might, if unfortunate, encounter it. I've seen it randomly put up on FB once, by some spam account.

Then there was this creep running for office in Virginia on a platform of enslaving women and getting rid of age of consent laws... I unwisely went to his campaign site to see just how nuts he was, and the guy actually posted CP on there, with a "If elected, I'll legalize THIS" rant underneath. It was pretty appalling. He was promptly thrown out of the Libertarian party, and soon afterward went to prison for exactly what you'd expect... and he thankfully killed himself pretty quickly.

It was relatively recently when I learned how prevalent it is on twitter. What I've learned about CP on the internet is that it's all over the open web, but the platforms it's shared on don't seem to be very interested in cracking down. If the EU wanted to do something about it, they'd light a fire under some asses to regulate their own sites rather than roll out nonsense like this law.

At least in germany the police is already overwhelmed working with the information they get.

Journalists have gotten more CSAM deleted from the internet that them - and only after these informed the police about it and the stuff was still online almost a year later...

Also the judges of that area are way overworked and cases take ages to be decided.

This whole thing is too much cryptofascism fantasy needing an unlimited police force to even work.

There's never been a more clear virtue signalling coupled with massive lobby interests than this law...

To add to that: almost all experts in that field will tell you that they prefer the money that'd need to be spent on implementing this to be spent on prevention programs (and educating kids about sexuality asap to they know what's wrong and when they have to speak with another adult about it) instead.

The main problem with CSAM is not you encountering it, the problem is children being abused when producing it. Whether the material produced reaches a wide audience doesn't impact their suffering. So what's relevant is the scale at which it's being produced, which I think is fairly independent of the likelihood of you encountering it without looking for it.

It's one of those things I feel like you would have to intentionally go looking for on the deepest, darkest corners of the Dark Web to find.

Yes, but the problem isnt the internet being flooded by CSAM out of nowhere. Its people organizing and sharing through encrypted messaging. And yes, Im sure its a real problem, but taking away peoples privacy will not fix it.

My impression is that we absolutely have an active issue with CSAM 😅

Its tucked away in the corners, but I don't think its hard to find if you go looking for it. And if its in an encrypted chatroom you really don't know the scope of the issue there without like a sting to get into the room, and then you have no way of identifying anyone.

That being said, there are huge tradeoffs to privacy and security to scan everything, and I'm not at all about to argue that there aren't extremely bad faith reasons to push this kinds of legislation.

But I don't think the issue it aims at addressing is in any way shape or form fabricated

Hey, that is an actually good argument. Hard to see those nowadays.

exactly this wouldnt change anything when investigating these crimes

you require law enforcement with enough resources to investigate cases they receive already

I’ve heard huge amounts of it are stored and traded on the open web. Literally posting it on Twitter etc, but the networks are relatively closed so outsiders don’t see these social groups.