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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Sims did it first, except the brand was called "Justa". Justa dishwasher. Justa fridge.

Ahead of their time.

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (9 children)

I've been thinking about this for a while now, how I just want a basic bitch electric car. No centre console, no futuristic screens, no sensors, no cameras. Give me a normal fucking car with dials, a speedo, some padles on the steering wheel to adjust power output to replace gears and no driver assist. Sell it to me for cheap and let me drive my car. That's all I want.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

You can join me with outsized expectations for the Slate pickup that will inevitably be dashed.

[–] InfiniteStruggle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I haven't seen speedometer shortened to speedo before. I was wondering why you wanted to get a speedo (like swimwear) along with the rest of your normal car accessories.

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Little from column A, little from column B

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The problem is that you think that would make the 'just' products cheaper. The reality is that the data and advertising subsidize the costs of the existing options and make them cheaper then what 'just' could sell for.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Case in point: Smeg already does this, and all their products are considered upmarket. They're just really solid normal appliances.

[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That isn’t true anymore nowadays. You pay the full un-subsidized price AND get your data sold and ads displayed

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[–] devedeset@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some of these products already exist. They are expensive. If you go back and look at the long-lasting appliances of the past, they were also expensive.

One example is Speed Queen washers/dryers. Also Bosch dishwashers.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago

Many of these become enshittified. Bosh is an example. My sister kitted out her kitchen with many Bosch appliances when she renovated, like 10 years ago. All have had issues.

The fridge has peeling faux chrome handles, the microwave button/wheel/control had to be replaced, the washer had the drum bearing fail, and the drum housing is sealed, so you have to replace the whole drum assembly, which costs as much as an entire budget washer...

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 231 points 4 days ago (19 children)

This often actually exists still, but those companies dont do big marketing and their products will cost 3x that of a "normal" one.

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (27 children)

As I've heard it:

  • Bosch makes the best dishwashers
  • Speed Queen makes the best laundry machines
  • Asko ~~and Miele~~ make the best stoves and fridges

And yes, they are all very expensive. But I want to get me a Speed Queen so bad.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (5 children)

It would be more feasible to de-fang modern appliances.

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[–] funkyfarmington@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

And I will sell it in a store called "in stock" because we have these things called "computers" that can reorder a product once one sells so the shelves aren't empty. Because American companies have never heard of that concept.

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He'll be out of business in a years time!

Seriously a great idea though. I'd buy all their stuff.

If you want this today, SpeedQueen has decent models that last forever and are very simple.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The reason is that they will be so durable that you buy one and it'll be an heirloom for multiple generations.

Since it would make small quantities (at least at the start) and with better materials, I bet it would be also more expensive so maybe it evens out.

I would also buy it, I'm tired of household items that randomly break and the manufacturer doesn't care.

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Deshittification

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 98 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

There is a nonprofit org called Open Source Ecology that is aiming to create what they call the "Global Village Construction Set", a collection of basic industrial machines required for modern living, designed in a way where everything can be built DIY by a single community (Including modular generators). I imagine that they have a plans for home appliances, I think as of now they're still working on construction equipment.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 78 points 4 days ago (25 children)

There’s a huge demand from consumers for that. Just not from investors.

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[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 67 points 4 days ago

"No enshitification" is the new top tier marketing strategy.

[–] fbn@slrpnk.net 57 points 4 days ago (3 children)

these exist, see speed queen

the cost is going to be higher, though, because "smart" widgets can offset their initial costs through the projeted sale of the data harvested over the life of the widget

most people being ignorant to this and to the inevitable issues with corporate-built "smart" widget infrastructure, the cheapest option will generally be the most popular

my inner doctorow says that the twiddlers did this on purpose to undermine competition, especially considering the attempts to keep those widgets from being liberated

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[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 15 points 3 days ago (19 children)

That's like Ali G saying he invented the PlayStation 2 because he thought about it when the playstation came out.

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[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 30 points 4 days ago

It's the Linux philosophy in appliances. I'm down.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 days ago

Probably better than my idea of just starting to wash my clothes in a bucket

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

50/50 chance it sells at a premium compared to other models, making the entire idea useless

Source: Like every project that pretended to do this with their respective market

Why the hell is a light phone more expensive than a mid to high range model smartphone. I'd rather just buy that and swap the ROM if I want to remove google.

[–] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Economies of scale and not capturing data as part of your profit model

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 35 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Until private equity gets their grubby paws on the company.

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[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 40 points 4 days ago (4 children)

This kind of anti-enshittification marketing is starting to gain traction I think.

A big part of Valve's launch was saying stuff like "of course you can run whatever you want on it, it's yours!"

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[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I want to produce boxed recipes under a product line named "Jamaican"

  • Jamaican a pie
  • Jamaican mac and cheese
  • Jamaican chicken with mushroom gravy

I also wanna make a perfume line named "Eureka," following the same general idea but with awfully generic scent names

  • Eureka flowers
  • Eureka citrus
  • Eureka chicken with mushroom gravy
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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago

And easier to repair, too.

A GE washing or drying machine from 30 years ago has easily removable panels, about 4 to 6 screws each and large easily identifiable parts, but one from a couple of years ago requires the top to be propped up or secured and the panels removed in a specific order such that you can them remove the internal plastic panels through which wires need to be dismounted around the drum with like 8 or more screws each of varying sizes and when it comes time to put it back together I hope you've got more than three arms because fuck you thats why.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 26 points 4 days ago (15 children)

I just want everything with a heating element to use a heat pump instead. Electric heating elements are so horribly inefficient and wasteful in comparison.

I have a ventless heat pump combo washer/dryer. It takes up half the space that two machines would, plugs into a regular 110V outlet, gets HOT (way hotter than I expected a heat pump has any right to achieve), drains all its drying water into the drain, vents none of my indoor air outside, doesn't require changing laundry from one machine to the other. Practically and mechanically it seems brilliant and I can't imagine why I would ever buy a traditional machine ever again. Except...

It's chock full of horrible apps and shit that I'll never use. It's way too "smart", and those "smarts" are not there for my benefit. After a month or two it finally gave up trying to pester me to connect it to a network and install the app, which I'll never, ever do. It's never going to see an update or new firmware if I can help it, but I'm afraid that if/when it ever breaks, I'll have no choice. I know it's going to do things like eventually refuse to work until the computer has been "updated" to be "compatible" with new parts. And it's not even just that it's going to be expensive. It's that I don't trust it, and I don't trust it to remain functional in the future, even if there are parts, that they won't let me install the parts, or will require me to agree to play by their "rules" before I can.

Right to repair needs to be a thing, and people need to be able to break the ridiculous amount of both legal and practical control these manufacturers have over their devices after they've left the factory. We cannot and should not trust the manufacturers to support it. We need to allow independent repair.

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