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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 134 points 1 week ago
[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 105 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

*state terrorism

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I would make the case that the people being directly killed here by the state, while atrocious, pale in comparison to the number of deaths that will be directly attributed to the cutting of USAid internationally and the loss of healthcare, jobs and environmental regulations in the US. And of course the gutting of the US health department and ending vaccine programs/requirements.

We will likely see a death-toll directly tied to Trump and his administration in the range of seven figures in the next decade.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the number of deaths that will be directly attributed to the cutting of USAid internationally and the loss of healthcare, jobs and environmental regulations in the US

Hey now, we didn't cut USAID. We just sent $40B to our good friends in Argentina. And now Milei's party has won the midterms, which means he can continue his War On Leftism inside the state and along the borders.

We're also helping to arm and secure Guyana, in a Kuwait-like project to drill into neighboring Venezuelan oil fields. That's not happening for free. Lots of Latin Americans and US government contractors are absolutely getting their palms greased. It's been a bonanza for NATO aligned mercenaries since the Bush Era, thanks to all the money we're spending on freelance military.

We're saving lives, man. All that money is putting food on the tables of any number of cocaine snorting, whore house frequenting, tacti-cool sunglass wearing Afghanistan washouts and their Guasano peers.

Are you just going to ignore that?

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

How could we ever let that poor oil stay down in the ground where it can't be loved and cared for? It's cruel NOT to destroy countless lives in exchange for this act of kindness and empathy.

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[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 53 points 1 week ago

Everyone involved should be extradited to those countries affected and face justice.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port.

But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.

This is just extrajudicial murder, plain and simple. I hope Trump and everyone who is involved with this dies an excruciatingly painful death.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port

That would require due process, instead of a spectacle of Shock and Awe.

Also, let's say, hypothetically that these aren't drug boats. Let's say they are boats moving medical supplies or fuel or building materials between Venezuela and Cuba. Let's say they're actually military units working on behalf of the Venezuelan Coast Guard or just fisherman who got caught in an international crossfire.

It's just easier to say "Drug Gang. Killed them." knowing no major American media source is going to publish a rebuttal. Nobody in the US has access to the details of the attack. Nobody is going to interview the families or investigate the wreckage. Nobody is going to contradict this regime when it comes to butchering citizens of the Global South.

So why not call them a drug gang? Call them human traffickers. Call them roving nautical pedophiles. Call them Islamic Jihad.

American audiences won't hear anything different.

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Imagine if they' were actually human traffickers, and these assholes have been blowing up the victims as well.

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.

It's not like those can't be planted. They're already killing civilians of another country, there's no bottom in their games.

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's murder for political optics plain and simple.

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[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 25 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Tell me again, lemmy, why Kamala is satanspawn and would've been worse for everyone.

Go on, you stupid fucks. Tell those murder victims in Venezuela, and their families.

[–] theoneandonlyeggboi@lemmings.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Useful idiots wouldn't be upset if Kamala won because they don't care about the working class.

Literally nobody is saying Kamala would be worse. We're telling the 'stupid fucks' that 'falling in line' is a losing strategy and they should stop relying on it to combat fascism.

Instead of getting mad at the people who didn't fall in line because Kamala is an establishment candidate, you should be getting mad at those who nominated her in the first place. But you're too naive to do that, so here we are.

The two-pronged strategy works because of people like you. I don't expect you to learn, ever.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So Obama didn't drone strike weddings? Stop this partisan polar bullshit, this is a problem with the country.

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[–] varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago

It was more about prioritizing personal moral integrity over the practical consequences of their (in)action by not preventing fascist a president that announced he would turn your country into a war zone for non-white people.

And of course racism: white people don't really care much about non-white people.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lemmy?

Do you think we all hold the same opinion or something? You're here too, you're as much under that umbrella of vitriol that you've just spat as the rest of us.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago

It's insane that they aren't, at worst, intercepting and searching these vessels. As with everything Trump does, cruelty is the point.

This man is a convicted felon that is sloppily trying to cover up the fact he sexually abused children (Epstein Files), along with the full support of the republican party. And the GOP (politicians and voters alike) are complicit with these crimes as long as they agree he should not be punished.

We, the sane people in this world, will never forget these facts.

[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (15 children)

They will keep killing fishermen until Venezuela takes action, and then its ok to invade for that sweet sweet oil. Drill baby drill! USA USA USA!

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They can tell how many they killed, but no actual eviidence of drugs in the wreckage while counting bodies??

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's the neat part! They can't! No one is counting bodies in person, this is all remote us murder, as is tradition.

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[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago
[–] daguma118@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago

And with 0 evidence

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Terrorist attacks*

[–] SpankyDoodle@eviltoast.org 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This sets a really bad precedent and is just plain wrong and murderous. Like no sane people comes up with this plan and then starts murdering. Absolutely not okay. I thought the UN made a statement that this is illegal? Does that mean, like Bush, it will likely be the case that Trump (and maybe his goons?) won’t be able leave the US if they push that through the international court? I would love this for all of them.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I sure hope so. If America has a civil war over evils like this, I don't want Dogey Americans to be able to flee and set down roots in other nations. Our elite are weeds, and they will strangle the life out of Europe and others if given the chance.

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[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not recognizing ICC, regime change, illegal killing of foreign civilians, supporting genocidal regimes, invading other countries, carpet bombing nations, incarcerating their own population, killing eachother in mass shootings, biggest per capita contribution to climate change.

American exceptionalism isn't doing us any good.

But ooh nooo China, please Europe, fear China... We are your 'allies'.

[–] entwine@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why can't they just intercept the boats and arrest the people on board if they truly have evidence of smuggling? It's cheaper in the short term than wasting expensive missiles, and much cheaper in the long term when you factor in the reparations we're going to have to pay to the families of all the people that were murdered.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 5 points 1 week ago

On the streets

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Huh, it rippled backwards in time, too

[–] DaMummy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

These boat strikes are becoming like school shootings. You gotta start numbering them. And don't bother with the hurricane or Greek Covid naming either. We're gonna pass the numbers in alphabet in no time.

The U.S is a terrorist state and now it’s a full on dictatorship. They’re not even hiding their illegal kills anymore

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

I'm guessing: 65 confirmed at the time of writing, new confirmed coming in all the time.

[–] Uli@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Over 65 people. He's killing all the retirees.

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[–] DioramaOfShit@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

They must be drug boats because there is no more drugs in the US anymore.

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