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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 48 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

There are difficult 'AI' tools.

Look up controlnet workflows or VACE, just to start, much less little niches in vapoursynth pipelines or image editing layers. You could spend days training them, messing with the implementation, then doing the manual work of carefully and deliberately applying them. This has, in fact, has been happening in film production for awhile, just in disguise.

Same with, say, LLMs used in game mods where appropriate, like the Rimworld mod. That's careful creative expression.

...As usual, it's tech bros fucking everything up by dumbing it down to zero-option prompt box and then shoving that in front of as many people as possible to try and monopolize their attention.


In other words, I agree with the author that what I hate about 'AI art' is the low effort 'sloppiness.' It's gross, like rotten fast food. It makes me sad. And that's 99.999% of all AI art.

...But it doesn't have to be like that.

It's like saying the concept of the the fediverse sucks because Twitter/Facebook suck, even if 99.999% of what folks see is the slop of the later. It's not fair to the techniques, and it's not holding the jerks behind mass slop proliferation accountable.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Precisely. AI art is bad because the users making “art” with it essentially have such bad taste they’ll publish anything the AI shits out.

There exist artistic ways to use AI as a tool, but none of them are easy. In fact they might be harder than just painting the damn picture yourself.

[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

based and real-pilled, the both of you.

i’m excited for the future of art. we have the potential for a new age of renaissance men who master the arts, humanities, and sciences all at once.

i think a lot of people shitting on genAI don’t see engineering itself as art… and i think that’s a piss-poor, deathly sad view of this world. it’s like 2/3 of westerners weirdly resent anything “math or science coded” as they might call it. a shame. a damn shame.

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[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Quick

Yeah...

I feel like some promises were broken 😂

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like some promises were broken 😂

You're absolutely right!

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 weeks ago

I find this li'l guy hilarious for some reason.

[–] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

tl;dr - "art" generated by LLMs is ultimately lame and uninspiring. It's probably never going to inspire people very much. It's a parlor trick and everyone intrinsically recognizes it. Don't expect to be taken seriously as a creator if this is your primary tool.

[–] FridaySteve@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's generative AI though, not creative. It can literally only create what it's seen before. It's incapable of being original. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Andy Warhol painted soup cans. But anyone who expects inspiration and creativity from generative AI doesn't understand the technology as it's applied...

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (19 children)

Art is beautiful not because economic value has been captured and skewered into aesthetics. It is a part of being human.

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[–] phoenixarise@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago

The Oatmeal! 😍😍 I haven’t been to that site in so long, I’m so glad they’re still around! Thanks for sharing!

[–] artifex@piefed.social 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Walther Benjamin examines this point extensively in The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction, which should be required reading for everyone, but especially anyone who thinks that AI art is the same as human art. The crux is that an authentic work (you can think of it as the “original”) has some… thing , some Je ne sais quoi that he calls the Aura. It’s a feeling you get from the real authentic thing. It’s the reason people line up at the Louvre to see the tiny Mona Lisa behind thick plate glass instead of just looking at a poster. Or why NFTs tried to be a thing and basically failed after the meme of it all died out.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

Pregnant Mario lactating Jamba juice all over Blanka from street fighter, indeed.

[–] onnekas@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think that there is AI "art" that goes beyond typing a few words into chat gpt and waiting for a result.

I don't know how popular this is today but about two years ago I watched lots of people go wild with stable diffusion workflows. It was a whole palette of tools: Control net, Inpainting, sketches with img2img for the composition, corrections in Photoshop and so on. It took hours or days of manual work until people "generated" the image that they initially imagined. I would say that this would count as art... Writing one prompt into your favourite llm and take what you get: not so much.

One example for reference: https://youtu.be/K0ldxCh3cnI

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Unexpected mention of Allie Brosh in the thanks at the end. Genuinely nice to be able to confirm she's still out there, alive and kicking, doing whatever it is she's doing now.

[–] lovely_reader@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

She wrote a book a couple years back that explains where she vanished to. It's good.

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[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

AI art is great, because now I can make artsy pictures in my presentations. AI art can never replace real artists though, it's just not that good. There will always be a place for real artists, AI art is only for amateurs that would never pay for real art anyways.

[–] odelik@lemmy.today 12 points 4 weeks ago

Enjoy making Clipart Storyteller.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 3 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

Or where hiring an actual real artists - for example if you were to need dozens of graphics for, say, a TTRPG you're running.

On the other hand, if you're e.g. writing your own TTRPG, and getting it published, you ought to use a real artist.

IMO the best way to determine if AI is okay to use or not, is by the purpose - is it a personal project, something you won't profit off? Then sure. Is it something you're going to profit off of? Then use a real artist and include them in the profits.

[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Or where hiring an actual real artists - for example if you were to need dozens of graphics for, say, a TTRPG you're running.

The only issue with that is that the AI was trained off the art from people who did create art for their TTRPG either paid or as a passion project.

Does that mean that new art effectively stops getting made for these scenarios? That real artists who are inspired to make cool art for their games just disappear or get assumed it was just AI?

I kind of wonder if we just stagnate from here, with very little new art being created that doesn't come from AI. In 10 years will we still be using the long recycled art from the last human artists? (Not that humans will stop creating art, but less will and they will often be drowned out from the flood of AI output)

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Very, very few TTRPG sessions have artists creating art for each of them. Mine certainly didn't before I could run genAI models locally. At most I'd grab generic, CC-licenced ambiance art, or, if the group had an artistic veined person, they'd help out with some character sheet art and such.

AI took no jobs here. And as I said, if the art is for something you profit off of, you should use an actual artist.

[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 weeks ago

I'm not talking about jobs, just people who do art for fun. Before AI there was still a lot of D&D fan art for example. Tons of people drawing their character or getting a commission done of the party after a long campaign. That kind of thing.

I think AI art has a negative impact on that sort of expression. People who might have tried it instead just generate something instead, never learning they really like to draw. People who would've commissioned something now can just generate a pic instead. People who had fun sharing fan art lose their motivation because for every one picture they complete, 1000s of AI images bury their art so it never gets appreciated.

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

I think this can be summarised as "fair use", something the AI providers like OpenAi could learn a thing or two about.

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[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Growing up my mother had (still has come to think of it) a book about Wyeth at the Kuerner family farm. The Wyeth picture in the Oatmeal story is not part of the larger collection of works all from that farm, but it still has the feeling. I can't reccomend people looking into Wyeth and his art high enough

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

this reminded me that old Chuck Jones comic in which he encourages young artists to find what works for them instead of trying to fit in.

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