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There's still a nightlife in Kyiv? The war there is worlds apart from what's happening in Gaza. Gaza hasn't had electricity or water for a year now.
The genocide of palestinians is no war
Russia isn't targeting civilians. Also in Ukraine they draft poor people to die
@poVoq@slrpnk.net how many more Ukrainians are going to have to be murdered by the regime for you to be happy?
You're finally admitting that the Russian invasion is murder?
I'm talking about the murder of people who are being gang pressed into fighting by the fascist regime the west installed and people like you support.
Isn't umm fighting against invasion is required by law for most countries?
Weird way to justify people being forced to fight into something they clearly don't believe in or have any interest defending.
Let's not forget that most countries also have constitutions. The citizens constitutional rights cannot be overshadowed by draft. Therefore forcible totalitarian draft is not legal. Here it's problematic because sovereign legal institutions are non existent in Ukraine and lets admit that in many states legal institutions would crumble when defending citizens rights against violent governments.
They were trying to prevent the slaughter of ethnic Russians in the independent republics. Also stop the continual acts of terrorism coming from the CIA controlled SBU (there's a NYT article about this subject FYI)
Remember when the libs here were saying only Russia does this and acting like it was beyond the pale?
I do because it was yesterday.
@yogthos @TheOubliette that's a symptom of supporting "the next thing" that the propaganda machine tells you 🤣
soon the libs will be explaining to us how the war with Iran is the war we all needed
@yogthos For any western liberal that is cheering on this bloodshed on behalf of Western capitalist powers, I invite you to jump on a plane and pick up a rifle.
This conflict has only two outcomes. A peace deal through negotiations as with any war in history, or WWIII.
Sadly, the American stance "we will fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian" is the reality. Once the smoke clears, if there was a victory, it will be the property of Western interests like Black Rock.
Seriously, wish all these people would just sign up for the foreign legion and put their money where their mouth is.
I think Israel is the only entity that is doing basically everything possible to kick-start WWIII. As the Ukraine/Russia stuff is mostly being contained to Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, and parts of Russia. But Israel is openly starting new fronts in Palestine and Lebanon. Along with attacking Iran, Syria, and Yemen. And they are most certainly the most likely entity to be the next government to use nukes in war. The doctrine of kill everyone to not allow capture is far more scary than what has been going on in Ukraine.
Not to say that the forced conscription and arrests of draft aged (or even physically able) men isn't fucked (it very much is). But even the neo-Nazis in command of Ukrainian forces aren't taking that level of official doctrine of death to their own side. Their doctrine is more "you fight or die" (but not "we will also kill you if you are caught by the enemy) which isn't exactly "shocking" if a nation is on an actual defense from inside their borders. Israel is invading other nations and acting at more of an ISIS level of fucked up while yelling about how they are "just defending ourselves."
Ukraine isn't defending shit. They murdered tens of thousands in the independent republics and continue to this day shell that land that MSM says they are "defending".
Y'all are fucking clowns for defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die? Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits? Oh, that's right, it doesn't fit the narrative that mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.
It's pretty obvious that you're just fascist. It's going full circle in here.
Fucking clowns 🤣 Clowns living in a clown world is what you are 🤡🤡🤡
Y'all fucking clowns for defending the fascist regime you support dragging people to fight for your entertainment. Go sign up for the foreign legion already instead of trolling here.
Lmao, I am not the one defending a fascist dictator and his regime trying to take over a foreign country, sending their men to a certain death 🤣 get your head out of your ass you clown 🤡🤡🤡
The fact that you don't know that you are makes you even more of a clown.
and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.
I'll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn't convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don't want to fight, and it's Zelensky's regime (with West's support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?
It's also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can't leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.
Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?
Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.
You see, I've tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky's fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)
I am against both sides, both states are braindead agents of Moloch. Dissolve the state meme. The is now Russia there is no Ukraine, these are just deadly brain rot.
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?
Just to clarify: do you suggest to murder everyone who was forced to get onto the battlefield, or do you mean Putin does this to them?
nice hasbara
mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.
Are you seriously getting your viewpoints about what Russia wants...FROM THE CIA? that's fucking insane. Here's what you should do. Find any translation of any spokesperson of Russia. Two famous ones are Lavrov and Maria something. Both of them are very intelligent and speak clearly.
edit: Also Russia doesn't target civilians. There's a thing that's commonly used by the US and Israel called atrocity propaganda. Look it up. Russia is taking casualties but it's not that much. It's approximately 1 death to 20-30 Ukranian deaths ATM.
Huh that's gotta be the highest upvoted article critical of Ukraine regime i seen here.
Either libs are already in the inevitable process of transforming from "kill ruZZian orcs" to "we never supported that war" or we are just out of peak hours for lib brigades.
It really isn't that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.
It's not one or the other.
Ukraine lost its sovereignity in 2014. Nuland was even handpicking their govt, you don't get less sovereign.
It really isn’t that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.
You can always go volunteer
No! Two things are never allowed to be true at the same time!
Workers, hearken, they are going to war
And they yell: "For nation and race!"
This war is the rulers of the world's
Against the working classes!
Hanns Eisler in "Der Heimliche Aufmarsch"
(works for both sides ngl)
Lol just statist things.
Humanity's favourite past time to trying the best to rip each other apart in any ways. On the battle fields of war but also in a comment section. It is hilarious to watch.
Just today Zaluzhnyi (ex AFU Commander-in-Chief) said that if needed, they will start mobilizing (so kidnapping from the streets, etc.) women too.
And then it finally going to be a proper, total genocide of Ukrainians...
I am sure there are no red lines for Zelensky's regime now... He can start murdering kids, and it will be met with western applause...