The Dems couldn't even get on board with local PDs being held accountable for extra judicial killings in 2020.
They called the protests riots and the protesters looters.
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that's why they'll only talk and posture with ice.
because if they go after ICE for abuse violations or fight against their qualified immunity, then it'll set a precedent against their police.
It horrified me how in sync the Republicans and Democrats were in 2020 when it came to stomping down the last vestiges of the Civil Rights Movement
They aren't on the same side, they just share corporate donors
Is there a meaningful difference?
only in their branding.
Two wings of the same bird.
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The same party that didn't arrest Trump even when it was an open and shut case of treason?
The same party that kept ICE funded?
The same one that called out Dubya's surveillance program after they voted for it, and then tried to arrest Snowden?
The same party that allows border cages for ICE?
The same party that loudly said "we don't need to defund the police, we need to fund the police!" in a state of the union adresss to bipartisan applause?
I'll hope that the midterms and next nominee change these lack of action polices, but it seems like the suspected frontrunners are going to aim for the status quo of 2020, not pushing for a better 2028.
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It doesn't need to exist at all...
Wild that the author doesn't know that, I'm not sure if they're just ignorant or controlled opposition.
It's getting really hard to tell these days who's being intentionally ignorant, or who's just pretending
Everyone is just pretending to some extent or another. An absolutely sober truth teller would be entirely unpalatable to most voters. There's always going to be some amount of smoothing over of the facts. It's just a matter of deciding what's acceptable. In this case, I'll take anyone who doesn't pretend that ICE or the CBP can be somehow reformed. There also have to be criminal prosecutions.
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I consider the US to be suffering a mental illness epidemic... ever since 9/11, really. The fervent nationalism and propaganda displayed back then was insane, and it's only gotten worse.
All of US conservatisms mental-illnesses are self evident, but the "liberals" are also so brainwashed and propagandized that they're still holding out for future elections while the dictatorship is installed before their very eyes, their only hope for leadership is 1% career politicians and billionaires, and it is well beyond the stage for wide scale general strikes, and preparation of armed insurgency and secession.
ever since 9/11, really. The fervent nationalism and propaganda displayed back then was insane, and it’s only gotten worse.
9/11/02 I got sent home from school because I worse a shirt that said "bad cop, no doughnut"...
Even tho no one could explain to me what it had to do with 9/11, me saying I forgot it was 9/11 didn't help either.
they’re still holding out for future elections
I'm not saying don't have a plan b, just that there's no reason to pre-emptively give up on plan a...
Especially since we finally got a non biased DNC chair. I think you're upset they're not overtly progressive, but that is short sighted. If we try to keep the DNC corrupt, but to our advantage long term nothing gets fixed.
It's like LOTR and deciding Gollum had the best plan. We gotta throw that shit in the volcano or it will corrupt us too. We can't use something as corrupt as the One Ring for good, that's why Gandalf didn't just put it on and 1v1 Sauron, because he'd win and in the process become even worse than Sauron.
For the past 8 months the DNC is being weakened, it's taking all the money Biden/Kamala had hoarded, and distributing back to state parties. Which is good, we don't want the Dem party structured with that much consolidated power. Because we can lose it. We want a bottom-top structured party.
But ignorant people think nothing is being done and still rant and rave against the DNC when we just won a 30+ year war over how it should be structured...
Billionaires just ain't going to let the media companies they own tell the masses the billionaires lost.
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LOL, we are in a straight up fascist state now. the only way you getting rid of these people is with bigger scarier people.
The government collapsing so ICE doesn't get paid will work, too.
Except they're still getting paid. They're apparently "essential", but food stamps and air traffic control aren't.
Yeah, it hasn't collapsed yet.
The agency doesn’t necessarily have to be abolished; we do need to enforce immigration laws. But it will have to be completely remade. And it’s not too early to start preparing.
Counterargument: It needs to be abolished. There might be elements of the American state worth salvaging the remains of. ICE is not one of them.
How did we stop the SS?
Oh, right, armed intervention from other countries.
Please help.
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~~ICE~~ america is out of control and beyond repair - This ~~agency~~ nation needs to be stripped down to the studs. ~~Dems~~ The world should start preparing now.
That seems better.
It needs to be abolished and every person who has ever been employed there tried for their civil rights violations.
And tried for treason and only one sentence given.
Don't stop at the studs, ABOLISH ICE
I'm old enough to remember when the term 'homeland security' was too fashy-sounding to be taken seriously. We were fine without ICE, and weirdly enough, creating it hasn't solved anything- if anything, the lies they tell to justify doing it more and harder have gotten more and more absurd.
Liquidate it and every other shithole agency under homeland security, with the sole exception of the Coast Guard who really should be their own thing. If the job still needs doing a new organization can be built up and old elements retained and retrained if need be.
Counterpoint to all of this:
Something I’ve noticed recently in the news is that ICE makes the headlines, and then when you dig down to the details, the real problem is often CBP or some other department that’s along for the ride. Difficult to tell, I’m sure, when everyone is masked and not wearing clear identification.
Just saying that abolishing ICE wouldn’t necessarily get rid of the problem, and I suspect that there’s still a chunk of ICE you never see because they’re actually doing the work they’re traditionally supposed to be doing.
The entire system needs to be fixed, not just abolishing one department that’s been co-opted as the poster boy for the abuse of the system.
you're right, it's systemic and deeply rooted. But we also need to start somewhere, and ICE is a great start to dismantling systemic oppression
It's always capitalism
well yeah ice is under border patrol. and that has to have a total house cleaning but they have basically destroyed the ice "brand" where it needs to be eliminated. It could be replaced but again its not something that has existed for very long.
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I entered SLC airport and heard screams and cries for help. I could see people gathered around, watching. I sped over to discover this woman face down on the floor, four grown men pushing her down, while she cried "HELP ME" and pled for her child.
Good thing those of us that saw this coming spent a decade getting called naïve and hysterical for saying "abolish ice"... by Democrats.
oh yeah republicans destroyed the brand. it certainly has to be dissolved and im not even sure if replaced as they are relatively speaking new and we did border security without them before.
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I'd like to see every ICE agent have it forcibly tattooed on their face so that for the rest of their lives they will never be able to hide what they are.
Lives? Should end with only one sentence, and that’s not it.
When the day comes. No Mercy. Honestly. Germany didn't do well enough and that fascist racist scum of human DNA is on their way up.
That shit Nazis never have been gone. They we're Just a silent minority.
Have No Mercy, as they don't have.
Why do you think the Confederates funded them like they have?
First, do not staff your new police force with untrained, anonymous gangsters who need to prove something to themselves. Let's strive to be great in actions, not just hat logos and mere words.
Defund them completely. Then fund investigations of any criminality they committed.
Do we have a Project 2029 yet?
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