it is finally joever.
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Ahh I had already forgotten what hope feels like
Hopefully we can get a halfway decent candidate that isn’t going to continue support and fund a genocide.
halfway decent candidate
Lol no it's Kamala.
I’m not holding my breath but if they want the best chance they should go with someone else. I think she’ll have a tough time beating trump
Who? They have to be:
- well known - they're only getting a few months to build a campaign
- relatively centrist - a lot of people in the middle dislike Trump, so that's who you need to court
- no major red flags - Trump will rip people apart, if the candidate has failings, they need to be conservative-friendly failings
- well-funded - perhaps the most important, and Kamala has the Biden-Harris money to use
She's a terrible candidate, but I think she ticks the boxes above. I'm not voting for her or Trump, but I do think she's the best option for the DNC, unless some billionaire decides to run.
Bernie Sanders.
He's even older than Biden...
Age was never the issue. The issue was support for genocide
It's certainly an issue. How is he going to negotiate peace if he's physically impaired?
I also don't think Bernie Sanders would do anything meaningful to change things in Gaza. His statements on the matter have basically been, "there's no easy solution, so let's just push for a temporary ceasefire to get humanitarian aid in." He doesn't have a plan to end the conflict, nor do I think he could do the job of a diplomat to bring both sides to the table (and would Hamas even listen to him, he's a Jew and, even if he doesn't have ties to Israel, that's still likely an issue for them).
Sanders isn't a hawk. He's opposed to spending money on war when those funds would be better spent on social programs. He would end the funding of the genocide, which would cease without US funding.
Also, don't be antisemitic. This issue has nothing to do with religion. End the occupation, free the thousands of hostages being tortured by Israel, and you'll be much, much closer to peace
Yeah, I know Sanders isn't a hawk, and I probably would've voted for him in 2016 largely on that issue despite disagreeing with him on most other policies. But that doesn't mean he'd pull funding from Israel, he'd just put conditions on it (only used for defense, and maybe require not targeting humanitarian aid trucks), but money is fungible so I don't think it would help much.
And to say the issue has nothing to do with religion is fanciful thinking. Yeah, Hamas claims that in their manifestos, but their manifestos are absolutely religious. They're not necessarily anti-Judaism, but they're justifying the conflict in religious terms. They're anti-Zionist, and Bernie sharing a religion (on paper at least) with the US' Zionist ally could be a significant issue for credibility if the US is to try to get involved in peace talks.
At the end of the day, Hamas wants Jerusalem, which isn't happening because it's such an important site to both Judaism and Islam. That has everything to do with religion, and it's why neither Israel or Hamas are interested in a two-state solution. Ending the occupation and freeing hostages wouldn't end the conflict, things would just go back to how they were: terrorist attacks by Hamas against Israel. That won't end until Hamas controls Jerusalem, and it might require elimination of the state of Israel.
It has nothing to do with religion. The genocide is against Palestinians. Christian Palestinians are murdered the same as Muslim Palestinians. Atheist Palestinians are murdered the same as other Palestinians.
There are more hawk US American Zionists who are christian and atheist than there are Jewish. And the police beat the shit out of Jewish antizionists as hard as they best the shit out of Muslim antizionists.
This is a colonial project that is after land and water. The target of the genocide is Palestinians and their land. This is not about religion.
I'm not talking about Israel's motivations, I'm taking about Hamas. The US has sway over Israel, but not so much Hamas. If we're to bring an end to the conflict, it'll require talks between Hamas and Israel, so an external facilitator needs to be trusted by at least Hamas. I think Bernie Sanders has some fundamental issues there, and him being old isn't helping matters (though he's certainly a better option than Biden).
The conflict is caused by Israel, though. Most Palestinians aren't motivated to violence because of religion. They're pushed to violence by violence.
Remove the boot on their neck, and hamas would cease to exist.Through its going to take a few generations because Israel seems insistant on creating more and more violent extremists.
Everyone involved in covering up his senility should resign or be forced out.
100% And libs that supported him until today shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore.
I doubt the nomination is really "open". The only way they get to spend their war chest is if VP Harris runs (and she is). I can't see the DNC nominating anyone else with such little time left.
Thank fuck. Biden's actually been a pretty good President and I say that after strongly supporting Bernie over him. He's got some flaws and (including some pretty big ones, e.g. Gaza). But, he's also had some good accomplishments and finally recognized that continuing to steer this ship intro the dirt wasn't the best plan. So, Thank you President Biden and let's all now pull together and get whoever replaces him elected. It's probably Harris. Again, not my first choice, and I suspect the selection process isn't going to be terribly Democratic. But, we missed that boat by not having a real primary. But, we now have a chance for someone without one foot in the grave and the other on a patch of ice, to beat Trump. Let's not squander it.
finally recognized that continuing to steer this ship intro the dirt wasn’t the best plan
All evidence is that he was pushed out by Obama, Pelosi, Schumer etc.
If he actually was on his game they wouldn't have succeed. Its absolutely a sign of his age that he got pushed and he did the right thing to step down. its the wrong time but better late than never.
I mean, if his brain wasn't oozing out of his ears they wouldn't have tried.
Obama picked him as VP and then organized the takedown of Bernie in 2020. Obama is his fairy godfather.
Pretty sure they are not on good terms. I dont think they have ever since Hillary got the 2016 nominations instead of himself, and then fucked up losing to trump.
Supporting a genoe isn't just a flaw. Being a war criminal is a definite "nope" for a lot of voters.
Do you believe the other guy will be better in this regard?
West or Sanders? Definitely.
No, the orange felon.
If we want to defeat him, we need someone who the people will actually vote-for. That's the point.
Harris is a cop: Trump is a felon. Does it get anymore poetic than that?
next debate, she should bring a pair of handcuffs out and set them on the podium for everyone to see, don't say shit a about them and just have the debate
Did you like when Harris was a cop and she argued for keeping prisoners past their release date because they needed the prison labor?
Or what about when she enabled the abuse of trans prisoners?
Or what about when she led to the criminalization of black parents to address truancy problems?
ACAB
(Also if you think this is a pro-Trump post you are incorrect)
I 100% agree. In 2016, she got dead last in my preference for Democrat candidates, and that was completely validated when Tulsi Gabbard completely wrecked her. In the last 4 years, she did absolutely nothing to gain my confidence in her. I don't believe she's a good person, a good politician, or even a good candidate.
But somehow she's better than Trump. Maybe. I'm actually not sure anymore, because police and prison reform are really high on my list of priorities.
I'm definitely not voting for Trump, that's a given, but I'm most likely not voting for Harris. If I lived in a swing state, maybe I'd reconsider, but I don't so I'm not throwing my vote away to a candidate I strongly dislike. I hope Trump loses, but I don't necessarily hope Harris wins. Screw them both, Trump should be locked up and Harris should stay home.
He's now announced that he's endorsing Harris. https://www.vox.com/politics/361827/biden-drops-out-2024-kamala-convention
Moments later, Biden released another statement endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris to take his spot atop the ticket.
"My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made," the statement said. "Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this."
What is clear is that the presidential contest is entering uncharted territory for the modern era.
Kamala w Obama as VP would win in a landslide
Though unconstitutional, since the VP needs to be eligible to be president.
Wrong Obama. They are talking about Michelle, not Barack.
We need to stop this whole Michelle running for president thing in all forms. All indicators are that she would never want the job. And all this does is feed the conservatives like Ben Shapiro who keep mentioning it. And they need to stop mentioning it. It's a distraction. She has never indicated she wants the job or to be second in line for the job.
Ben Shapiro is still around?
Yup. Every damn day. And getting worse. He has been audience captured by the toxic male culture but doesn't want to admit it. So he ends up saying things like "Andrew Tate has some pretty good ideas but is a garbage human being. Let's explore what he gets right."
I'm ready for our first female president!
The black mother jailer in chief.
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like enough Americans are ready for a black woman as a president for it to happen
Source?
Just a subjective observation
Keep the kopmala megathread handy comrades.
Hoping that'd be a good resource, I started at the top and started clicking some links that interested me. Deleted. Suspended for violating rules. And so on.
Finally found one on Bill Gates that worked, but when I searched for more info, I found it was FALSE: https://www.reuters.com/article/world/false-claim-bill-gates-faces-trial-in-india-for-testing-vaccines-on-children-idUSKBN22V262/
All that disinformation tells me to take anything in the list with a grain of salt.
It's finally joever 😂
Biden be like: "You ~~corrupted~~ supported me with billions but I am gonna go now lol - oh, btw could you please give some big money to Kamala as well? kthxbye"
The replacement better be strongly opposed to genocide, or there's no benefit to this change