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[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 132 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Death of the author is a thing.

Whatever meaning you derive from a piece of art personally is just as valid as the intended meaning

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 228 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don’t worry. The sculptor made sure you can’t misinterpret their work.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pack it up, "artists," the solution to viewer interpretation has been found.

[–] sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

no more fucking poem analysis Mr. English teacher. There’s a P.S. that does it for us.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No no no.

In school in higher education we had to interpret poems.

I am definitely sure, that neither the author's opinion or my opinion are relevant. It is only the teacher's opinion that is relevant.

(Do I need the /s?)

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Be me, a literal reading scifi fan in 11th grade English having to read Jane Eyre and find all the damn symbolism. When all I saw was a 19th century romance novel. Blech.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Fortunately in English classes (I learned English at school) we read Macbeth. There's a lot of layers to Shakespeare - for example a lot of allusions which you'll only understand when you know about the time it was written in. And our English teacher dragged in a native speaker to help out with conversation, who was a student living in my town.

In German (my native language) however, we were presented a poem without not enough context about the author and had to answer "what's the meaning of this". Most of the German teachers I had were boring, lazy or both.

Your literature problem - I had that in German, Thomas Mann's "Der Tod in Venedig". Yeah, I as a teenager was so eager to read about the homoerotic thoughts of an older man traveling to Venice and lusting about a young boy. Yes, of course it's symbolic but - fuuuuck me, really? Do I need to read that.

Mark Twain has written an essay about the "awful German Language" (I don't agree). Amongst other things he complained about long sentences.

Ha! He know NOTHING! He had not seen the works of Thomas Mann. Thomas Mann must have been hugely intelligent. He managed to write a single sentence that is too long for a single fucking book page. With a random number of subclauses in between. Exploiting all the cleartext encryption mechanisms the German language allows! With the most boring content a teenager in the height of puberty can not relate to.

I still have a visceral hate for Thomas Mann. In my 40s I thought I'd give that book another chance. Nope. Still hate it.

Ah, soon I'm 40 years past school and I still get PTSD about it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure what level of sarcasm this operating on and if you think romances can't have symbolism or not

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 10 points 1 month ago

I was going to comment the same. The best art is where each person can derive their own meaning. Even better when you find new significance every time you see it.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Except that

[–] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

Funny that you mention this. I replied to another comment about how Gangnam Style is satire about the hyper-wealthy. However, the meaning derived by all of the audiences outside of South Korea was 'haha dancing man likes horses and yoga women'.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is it a sign that I have no artistic talent whatsoever that I hate this concept?

[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

No, it just means that you believe that the artist's intentions are more important than your own interpretation of a given work. It's the other side of a philosophical debate about the meaning of "art" as a whole.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 90 points 1 month ago (5 children)

"Gangnam Style" (Korean: 강남스타일; pronounced [kaŋ.nam sɯ.tʰa.il]) is a K-pop song by South Korean singer Psy, released on July 15, 2012,

Gangham style is over a decade old

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago
[–] bampop@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And now you're older still

[–] riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] suckdings@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] arrowMace@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

And TIIIIIIIIIIME...

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Shots fired.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] M137@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

This is one of those times where I'm not surprised at all. I think I'd have guessed it's older than that.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Gangham style is over a decade old

You did not have to do me dirty like that

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I did it just to make people feel old 😈

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

hah what are you gonna do? make me feel more old? ... ...

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sometimes you have to embrace Death Of The Artist and just enjoy things for what they are, rather than what they were intended to be. If you stand around thinking about the historical context of the Arc de Triomphe or the Great Wall of China or the Hoover Dam, you're going to have a bad time.

Empty Head. No Thoughts. Just be at peace and enjoy what is.

[–] mrmule@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's also little speaker next to it that plays Gangnam Style on repeat 24/7

[–] Atkat@leminal.space 11 points 1 month ago

So that one speaker took over for the entire world when we were done playing it 24/7, collectively?

That's kind of inspiring. You go little speaker! ☺️

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Someone told me that Oppa means 'Uncle', but in the particular district of Gangnam the word Oppa/Uncle also means Pimp.

So it's basically a song based on a pretty bad pun. I'll protect you like an uncle, and by Uncle I mean Pimp.

EDIT: English speakers likely would do better with the translation as 'Ill be like a Father to you, a real Las Vegas Pimp Daddy (where Daddy is a word that means Father but has more Pimp connotations, and Las Vegas being famous for legalized prostitution).

It's definitely debauchery. But we likely have memorials to Austin Powers and other such pop culture icons, so it's understandable.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I don’t speak Korean but most sources I could find say Oppa means ‘older brother’ but also women call their boyfriend oppa. Also Gangnam is one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Seoul. Oppa Gangnam Style would mean Gangnam boyfriend or rich boyfriend or sugar daddy.

[–] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

You're pretty much there. Oppa is literally 'older brother' but is generally used towards a man who is older but within the same age-hierarchy bracket. It is a term exclusively used by women, except for when men are referring to themselves in the 3rd person from the perspective of women. As mentioned, women often call their boyfriend/husband oppa in casual environments.

The lyrics of the chorus is "오빤 강남 스타일" ("Oppan Gangnam Style") where the 'n' after 'oppa' is like a contraction of "오빠는" ('Oppa nun' / "Oppa is"). Gangnam is a neighborhood in Seoul where literal 1%ers live. So he's basically letting the women know he's a wealthy/noteworthy/powerful guy, since he is 'Gangnam Style'.

In truth, the way he describes himself and the women he chases are caricatures of South Korean wealth, materialism, and high-class identity. The video starts with him pretending to be at a beach, when the camera pans out it's actually a sandlot for a playground. More examples of his phony elegance show up across the video, such as dancing on a tour bus and singing in a toilet stall. The lyrics of the song flaunt the lavish lives of the hyper-wealthy, while the imagery points out how trashy and narcissistic that kind of lifestyle can be.

Sorry for the rant, I just remember a lot of stuff I learned about it while writing a report in high school. I hope someone learned something :P

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

🎵hey, sexy lady🎵

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 12 points 1 month ago

Heeey, sexy ladies

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

There was a particular statue of two pairs of arms hugging representing MLK Jr and his wife Corretta that inspired the exact opposite feelings, apparently, as many onlookers mistakenly thought it was something more obscene.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's actually all four. I can see how one might confuse it for something obscene without the context.

If you ask me, I think we need to make obscene statues hip again. Bring back the priapus statues!

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What is all four, tf are you talking about?

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

It is all four arms, both of MLK Jr's and both of Corretta Scott King's.

one side.

the other side.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh I see the confusion now, thanks.

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[–] jlow@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

My first thought was: "Oh nice, they've made a statue on how to not measure your own pulse."

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