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Context, not because I like Allen but because his info dump is on hand.

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1977059498800873767

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[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 111 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Color me shocked. I mean from the administration of the man who said, take the guns first and due process later.

Take the guns first - Trump

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago

Whoever convinced his following that the man only jokes and never does anything honestly deserves some kind of reverse peace prize. Like the Oppenheimer Award or some shit.

[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Which gun rights group are they referring to?

[–] iN8sWoRLd@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

(b) individuals and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, dealers or collectors who were members of Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc., Second Amendment Foundation, or Louisiana Shooting Association at the time this action was filed on November 6, 2020

https://saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Reese-v.-ATF-judgment-10.7.25.pdf

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Oh, thank you- I promise I wasn't blowing smoke, I really was going to get that. 💀

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I'll have to take a deeper dive, but as I've seen some of the actual right-winger pages posting statements on it I'm guessing that it isn't just those dangerous body dysmorphia folks.

[–] BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Before this dictatorship is over they will try to disarm the American population.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Which is, per se, not a bad idea.

[–] BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Except for the fact that we've been collecting guns for 250 years to prevent this exact scenario. I support the right to own a gun more than I support actual gun ownership, if that makes any sense. A government SHOULD fear its people but I worry that ship sailed a hundred years ago.

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

Currently they don't fear citizens with guns; they're fishing for them, trying to bait them into violence so they can use that to sell the rest of the public on martial law and mass arrests.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

It's a horrible idea both from an ethical standpoint and from the practical standpoint

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

no only parts

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Every time I think of our current dictatorship I look forward to 2028 when it's over.

But just look how much damage he's done in only a the first few months, I dread to imagine how much he's going to destroy in the next 3 years.

At this point we're all just counting on his health failing any day now, the sooner the better.

And hoping his successors come back to their right minds and restore USA back to land of the free, American Dream and all that.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You expect 2028 to be...better?

Nah dude. It's going to get worse before it gets worse..

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think you can make that prediction. Its quite possible things will become tepidly bearable again... before getting much much worse than it is now.

Everything is steadily getting worse in every category. That means that today is both the worst day in American history, and the best day we'll ever have again. I absolutely promise you that there will come a day when you dream of having the problems we have now.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

EXACTLY why I never joined a damned gun group. Also why I'm not even trying to find leftist groups.

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is also another clear example as to why it is so difficult to organize the left. 🫠💀

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I want to join the People Who Hate People party, but it's hard to get a meeting together.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Srsly Barbie, you’re overdue for some MAGA facework. Tbh your job isn’t secure.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Neck work needed

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A few key points tho:

  1. Is this an actual registry by design, or a product of recent brain rot jurisprudence that relief only applies to the plaintiffs listed, and thus this membership list is needed to know who does gets said relief?
  2. They already appealed to modify the judgment, and even the DOJ lawyer signed on to their appeal.
  3. Why? The SAF is a growing activist group, but they’re hardly the bulk of owners. The ATF has been digitizing dealer books of 4473s for decades and has eFile paperwork reporting on lock - if they want to build a registry, they have it already.

This reads to me more like a judge made a call based on SCotUS’s recent goofy rulings around standing and relief, instead of a deliberate end-run registry.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but Big Balls accidentally deleted the files when he was on the toilet, trying to post a meme.

[–] digredior@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The defendant has the right to identify their accuser…

It’s just that in this case, the defendant is the ATF because they were overstepping their authority.

And now the ATF will have at least a partial list of gun owners. I guess the intent is to provide relief to these and only these plaintiffs? i.e. the ATF can restrict the sale of firearms to individuals aged 18-20 with anyone NOT named on that list?

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their accuser is the organization. That doesn’t give them the right to know every member of the organization. That’s a really bad precedent.

[–] digredior@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I’m not a lawyer… I’m just talking out loud.

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lots of loud people demanding she be fired and of course the ATF is being flamed a good amount too (just from what I can see). I appreciate your breakdown on this, some interesting ways it can unfold that I wouldn't have known to watch for. 🤘🏽🖤

[–] digredior@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 month ago

lol, yeah. I’m totally not a lawyer, but I do believe that in criminal cases that’s how it works between the defendant and the plaintiff. The defendant gets to face their accuser.

Now, this might be a civil suit, and I don’t know how that relates or changes in civil law. This seems like a civil tort case.

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago