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US archivist ousted after refusing to let Trump give Eisenhower’s sword to King Charles – reports (www.theguardian.com)

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The Eisenhower Presidential Library’s director has exited his position after advocating against giving a sword from the collection to King Charles as a gift during Donald Trump’s recent state visit, according to US media reports on Thursday.

Todd Arrington left his post on Monday after being told to “resign or be fired”, he told CBS News, which did not specify who had relayed the message to the historian.

The library and museum – located in former US president Dwight D Eisenhower’s home town in Abilene, Kansas – is part of the National Archives and Records Administration (Nara).

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[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 165 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

The nation's treasures are not Trump's to give.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 61 points 2 months ago

In a dictatorship he can do as he pleases, so unfortunately they are his to give.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Presidential libraries are private, aren’t they?

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 52 points 2 months ago

It says "The library and museum – located in former US president Dwight D Eisenhower’s home town in Abilene, Kansas – is part of the National Archives and Records Administration". So no, not private.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

Well, technically, I think they are. Yet another example of how poor a system the founders set up.

[+] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org -63 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I mean, the North American continent is also not white Europeans' to inhabit. So - I don't see any problem with this, times change. And other countries are not US' to make choices for.

But some humiliation after all that "checks and balances" pride will be refreshing eventually. It's an obvious and thus little seen truth that "checks and balances" can be used to build any kind of mechanism. Your country has achieved private surveillance and private censorship and private racial segregation. You'll deliver.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thats some racist bullshit.

[+] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org -36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

No. Being for colonization is racist bullshit. Being against colonization is anti-racist humanism. It is humanist to call for reduction and limitation of USA and Commonwealth, with no irony.

But I'm not calling for that because it's useless, just saying that I'll enjoy the part where their superiority feeling will be finally firmly matched with reality. I won't enjoy the parts where they'll try to take revenge for it upon whoever they can.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No you are nativist. It is a joke to call Advocating for the genocide of the descendants of colonists "humanist". Please go on about blood and soil.

[+] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org -12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No you are nativist. It is a joke to call Advocating for the genocide of the descendants of colonists “humanist”.

You as a descendant of the colonists can invent any words you want, but nobody is calling for genocide.

Just for correcting some historical wrongs.

It's telling that you can't imagine that happening in any other way than genocide, because that's what your ancestors did.

USA and the Commonwealth existing as they are are not the natural order of things. Yes, telling population of big cities to pack and leave for Europe is not an option, but there's plenty of territory their ancestors cleansed from their inhabitants which is still not occupied or occupied for things like farming.

What can't be returned to rightful owners without genocide, shouldn't be. But the enormous territory (that culture of suburbs in USA and Australia - it's hard to imagine for a European despite being shown in movies and such) that can, should be.

It's very simple - there's a huge gap between saying that indigenous peoples have a superior claim, which should be respected when that's possible without mass atrocities, and saying that all colonists should be murdered.

And if you don't do it, then eventually what happened in Algeria will happen everywhere. USA+Commonwealth+other former empires together are shrinking as a percentage of global power, and nobody forgets anything. It's really a better option to do the decolonization thing on your own terms.

Please go on about blood and soil.

What about rights of people robbed of their land by your ancestors? On the contrary, any right that you have on it can only be justified by blood spilled for soil. Which is a principle I'm not using.

Or those rights can be discarded, and addressing your identity becomes racist?

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Why do you keep saying commonwealth? Is it part of some weird belief structure of yours? (I'm genuinely curious)

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's part of the weird belief system of the former British Empire English-speaking inhabitants that they are not colonists, but "Canadians", "Australians", "New Zealanders" and so on. As if those lands belonged to them.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I get that you're likely a cryptofascist or a person trying on a bunch of different belief structures like they're hats or something.

But still, why commonwealth so often? What meaning does that term hold for you?

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I get that you’re likely a cryptofascist or a person trying on a bunch of different belief structures like they’re hats or something.

I haven't changed anything in this conversation.

Commonwealth because it's the current form of the genocidal British Empire.

It's telling how you descendants of the worst ghouls in history start squealing when the declared common values are applied to you in the slightest.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Nah man I know you paint with a broad brush but like...I actually don't give a shit about being born a colonist or a descendant of a colonist or whatever.

I was just curious as to why you keep saying commonwealth.

You likely are a cryptofascist though. Yes, you're like a slippery eel with weirdo statements online, but that's only because you're some type of nationalist. I honestly don't find that part the least bit interesting, I'm more interested in how cranks latch onto some choice words or elements of grammar for some reason.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because the British Commonwealth is a political entity still existing.

You likely are a cryptofascist though. Yes, you’re like a slippery eel with weirdo statements online, but that’s only because you’re some type of nationalist. I honestly don’t find that part the least bit interesting, I’m more interested in how cranks latch onto some choice words or elements of grammar for some reason.

No, my country thankfully hasn't been a colony, it was one of the empires.

I’m more interested in how cranks latch onto some choice words or elements of grammar for some reason.

I should be less adequate than you due to having temperature and really not loving descendants of colonists, I think USA and Australia and such exist by mistake, and are examples of illegal squatting on atrocious scale.

But it really seems I'm not, which for the love of it elements of grammar, which choice words? I don't know what you are talking about.

BTW, using the word "nativist" to describe my position doesn't really cover anything for a person not from colonies. In Europe it's more of a self-incriminating defense.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But it really seems I’m not, which for the love of it elements of grammar, which choice words? I don’t know what you are talking about.

I think I was pretty clear that I was talking about "commonwealth". I consider it--at this point--asked and answered.

What your worldview is missing is likely multifaceted and perhaps requires a more thoughtful post (one that I have neither the time nor desire to write).

Summarily, I do not think being born anywhere is some type of sin.

Ultimately, humans are not "native" to any one particular region of the world. We are weird little monkeys with a knack for migration.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Commonwealth" addresses part of the subject, so it's a word that should be used in such a conversation. You haven't clarified why do you have a problem with it.

Ultimately, humans are not “native” to any one particular region of the world. We are weird little monkeys with a knack for migration.

States created by colonists should then not impede all the millions of Afghanis who want to move there.

Also "ultimately" doesn't matter, "ultimately" everyone dies, and a bit less "ultimately" saying someone a rude word before they, say, have an anxiety attack and make a mistake that kills them, is contribution but isn't called a murder, but when you hit someone with an axe till they die, it is. One may generalize these into the same thing. Or one may not.

The point is that your ancestors stole entire continents from their inhabitants a few hundred years ago, and this is different from what happened a few thousand years ago, and from what happened a few hundred thousand years ago.

Also you are not as smart as you think, for crying out loud. You haven't done anything with what you came into the thread to argue about. You are a clown.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

“Commonwealth” addresses part of the subject, so it’s a word that should be used in such a conversation.

Not really, you're just a weirdo that's obsessed with the word. I was hoping to find out why. I got my answer. It's summarily just something you've latched onto. 🥱

One may generalize these into the same thing. Or one may not.

I have noticed that most people (that aren't from the 1800s) that continually use the word "one" like this tend to be intolerable flatulents. I think you match this observation.

The point is that your ancestors ...

My point is that you do not choose your ancestors.

Also you are not as smart as you think, for crying out loud. You haven’t done anything with what you came into the thread to argue about.

You have no idea what I think nor why I even bothered replying.

Evidenced by:

You are a clown.

Clowns intend to entertain. Maybe they succeed, maybe they don't. Calling me a clown isn't necessarily an insult (as intended) depending upon my motivations, which you're clueless about because you're too caught up in the smell of your own farts to ponder what they are.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago

which you’re clueless about because you’re too caught up in the smell of your own farts to ponder what they are.

You know, you really might be onto some important truth, with one little nuance.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

🙄 we did it lemmy, the annoying pedantic scolds have arrived

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

It actually amazes me how resilient its be. The major check on this is the senate and the supreme court but while the founders realized there would be all sorts of parties and philosophies vying for control it did not seem to occur to them that such a massive number of self respecting people would go against freedom, democracy, individual rights and essentially everything the country was built on. They ultimately assumed they would be americans.

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 99 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Stop fucking resigning ffs!

Make them drag you out!

[–] iMastari@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You can’t collect unemployment if you quit.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

This is a pet peeve of mine, because there are many cases where you can claim unemployment if you quit. The myth exists specifically to deter people from filing, even when they’re fully allowed to do so. It’s basically like one of those “Keep Back 200 Feet; Not Responsible For Broken Windshields” signs that gravel trucks all have posted on their tails. They are 100% liable for it, but the sign deters people from trying to claim.

This would actually be a shining example of a case where you can likely claim unemployment. The employer specifically stated that they intended to fire the archivist if they didn’t quit. We (and the archivist’s labor attorney) have proof of this, based on the employer’s own statements. The employer may initially try to contest the claim, but an appeal will allow you to present the evidence (the employer’s claims) and argue that you should be able to claim even though you “quit”.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

So why are they quitting?

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I mean we would just give it back you when dumpy dies or is ousted.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 15 points 2 months ago

Have you been to the British Museum?

We're not great at giving stuff back

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Tbf, England doesn't have a good track record when it comes to returning culturally significant items ....

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump against precedence keeps the gifts given to him rather than them going to a museum. As such I would appreciate it if you guys gifted him a clue.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately we don't have a lot of those ourselves these days

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 12 points 2 months ago

https://www.eisenhowerlibrary.gov/press-releases/todd-arrington-appointed-director-dwight-d-eisenhower-presidential-library-and

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago

The people of Abilene should hide the sword, before the bandits pilfer it.

[–] JustTheWind@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Babe, wake up, a new Isekai anime plot just dropped.