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‘Don’t call this racist’: row grows over motives behind England flag campaign (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 9 months ago by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to c/unitedkingdom@feddit.uk

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[–] ALiteralCabbage@feddit.uk 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Flags: not racist

Using flags to create an atmosphere of exclusion: likely racist, definitely xenophobic

Don't get me wrong, I love a good flag, and the St George's cross is a great design (esp. When it doesn't have "England" written on it) but 90% of the people flying the flags are slow witted flag fuckers who are upset that brown people exist in "their" country.

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Wait until they find out that St George was from Turkey.

[–] monkeyman69@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 9 months ago

Don't panic, they never will as it involves reading.

[–] siha@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago

Not to detract from the point, but I do feel your comment lacks some detail. So I went to Wikipedia to double-check.

Saint George was born in the Cappadocia province of the Roman Empire, which occupied the same lands as modern central-eastern Turkey.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm from Northern Ireland, we know a fair bit about flags. They're pretty much always used to mark territory, and make it clear who is welcome and who is not.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 9 months ago

I wouldn't say almost always, unless there are paramilitary flags alongside them. In some places they go up in the summer or if there's a big royal occasion at another time of year

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Put LGBT flags underneath every England flag.

If they both stay up, the intention is probably positive, supportive, prideful and welcoming.

If the LGBT ones get torn down... well, there's a heavy overlap in the Venn diagram between the homophobes and the racists, so I think you can safely assume they're racist flags.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 months ago

Seems like a good idea

[–] supamanc@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The thing is, the flag is not associated with racism and hooliganism because a committee sat down and decided. It's because racists and hooligans do racist and hooligan shit whilst waving the flag. If you want to save its tarnished image, you need to make the racists and hooligans stop associating themselves with the flag....

[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But then a movement of people not doing that shit while waving the flag would offset the problem, no?

[–] supamanc@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Well then you get to the shit sandwich analogy - it doesnt matter how little shit there is, or how good the sandwich is, you aint eating it!

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's weird in Scotland where we have "cuddly nationalism", you see saltires everywhere. My wife is from England and one of the things she remarked on moving up here was how the St George's Cross would look mental hanging in all the places the saltire is.

[–] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You'll also see the national flag flying happily in France and Spain. Not everywhere, but it doesn't have any negative connotation. In Germany however the national flag does have dodgy overtones. It seems to be related to whether your country has anything less than pleasant in its recent history.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

It's not like Scotland has a flawless track record! Part of the reason why we unified with England was that our experiment being colonialists was an expensive mistake. Managed to make some of that back being involved in the ~~triangular trade route~~ sugar industry.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 5 points 9 months ago

Same with the Swiss, which is funny since they profiteered off every European atrocity whilst coming out smelling like roses

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is normal in Northern Ireland. Lol.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Where they’re so racist they’re even racist toward each other?

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Protestant and Catholic are not races.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s not about Protestantism vs Catholicism.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago

It really is, to the vast majority of the small brains who practice it.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago

It's good craic