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Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 91 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I wrote a longer comment, but to be honest, it all boils down to "Trump is insane."
And 77 million Americans that voted for him are either idiots or insane.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 42 points 3 months ago

Trump agrees with the last person he spoke with

[–] Hayduke@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I believe the number is roughly closer to 160 million. I don’t blame the trump voters, stupid is gonna stupid, but the non-voters…. 245 million registers voters, 155M voted.

From the song Freewill by Rush, β€œIf you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-15/how-many-people-didnt-vote-in-the-2024-election

Edit: Me no math good, so that might not add up exactly, but the point remains.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes if they didn't try to prevent Trump, they are part of the problem. Except of course if they had a valid reason the were prevented.

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Everyone imagines they have a valid reason.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 3 months ago

there’s lots of blame to go around, but you can’t on 1 hand blame apathetic voters and on the other hand NOT blame active trump voters just for stupidity… stupidity may not be a crime, but it also isn’t an excuse

[–] milkisklim@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's okay, I just say TACO until I calm down

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Yes this was totally TACO. Such a well deserved nick name.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

They thought he was going to make the brown people disappear and they voted with their hatred.

That's what it boils down too.

ANY trump insignia to me says "I support rape, child rape, hatred towards anyone I can't extort money from and anyone not white." And I avoid them like the plague they are.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

Insane and evil. Don't forget that last part. He's a pedophile, he caused hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths, he backs genocidal governments, he steals from his own charities, and I could go on for a long, long time...

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

As an American, i do not endorse this.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You are probably not a complete idiot or totally insane then. So I feel very sorry for you, it must be hell to live in USA as a normal person.

Are you playing a lot of computer games to escape reality?

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Good question. My head is in the sand for a lot of the news cycle. I get most of it from Seth Meyers to ease the delivery with comedy. A broad swath of media consumption does distract me also. I play a lot of backgammon.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fuck that demented rapist piece of shit. Garbage human. Traitor.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I honestly don't think this will change the reality of the situation. Ukraine won't agree, Europe won't agree. I think we're headed for a frozen conflict where Russia claims and controls parts of Eastern Ukraine, but only a few countries recognise the region as being part of Russia.

Ukraine would need to be able to launch a major offensive to dislodge the Russians from Ukraine entirely, and I don't see that happening anytime soon. As much as we want them to withdraw from Ukraine, it's quite clear they have no intentions of doing so. They're just going to sit tight.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 14 points 3 months ago

And Trump only cares because he campaigned on ending the war in a day, and has been made to look a fool over and over again by Putin. It's why him and Vance are so into shitting on Zelensky, Ukraine needs/wants US weapons/help, and Putin doesn't, giving them no leverage of any kind with Russia. And the Right feels that toxic masculinity when they can shit on people in need.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 months ago

Economy.

Economy will keep this conflict from freezing. The Russia's economy is spiralling downwards, possibly unrecoverably. That country will go bankrupt. Inflation is eating people's savings in terms of how many grams of bread you can buy with your salary. That will make people discontent.

And also, the Russian soldier is in it almost purely for the money. That means, the money paid to the soldiers must rise at least at the same pace as inflation. Which, in one hand, means that the government needs to pay more and more, and in the other hand that there will be more inflation because companies have to compete with the soldiers' salaries in order to get any workforce at all. Eventually the only way the Russia can pay those exponentially increasing salaries for its soldiers will be by printing money.

And when you print money, you end up with hyperinflation. And when the Russia gets that far, it's over with the war. Any Russian will understand at that point that retaining control over territories in Ukraine is less important than having an economy. USA can slow down the collapse of the Russia's economy, but it cannot prevent it. If EU joins in with USA, then yes, the Russia's economy can survive. But USA will be the only western country siding with the Russia, so the Russia is a dead man walking. Being the biggest economy in the world, the EU has a lot of say in this.

I wouldn't call it a frozen conflict if it has an end that is known to arrive.

[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Putinpoodle

[–] QuantumTickle@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trump's idea of strength is letting the strong man have whatever he wants. He just usually imagines himself as the strong man.

Yeah, Trump has no spine, but he is used to dunking on people less fortunate/in need/having morals. When you give zero shits about anyone in this world besides yourself and your daughter you want to fuck, it makes it really easy to just declare yourself tough while beating up the little guys. He has used daddy's money, lawsuits, and NDAs to carry him through his whole life.

[–] opus86@lemmy.today 6 points 3 months ago

Trump certainly made a spectacle of getting walked all over.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

We've been through this before in 2014 with that cunt Merkel and the good for nothing, "hope and peace and shit", Obama.

EDIT: Some people here might not like what I am saying (which I find surprising considering that Merkel rewarded Putin with Nord Stream II after the invasion of Crimea and Donbas - this is a fact), but this is a very somewhat common view in Ukraine (my use of swearing notwithstanding).

[–] troed@fedia.io 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Many outside of Ukraine don't realize that this war didn't start in 2022 but in 2014.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 months ago

The war started in 1991, when we dared split off from the ~~Russian Empire~~ Soviet Union

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago

earlier, putin was testing the waters with crimea, and georgia? '08

[–] Rose@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, Obama was good for the US but awful to the world for appeasing Putin via his puppet Medvedev. McCain on the other hand was critical of the Russian invasion of Georgia and had strong ties to the opposition in Russia, so he was well-informed on the situation. He wouldn't enable Putin to violate international law time and time again.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

I was actually living in the US when Obama got elected. I got caught up in the Obama hype at the time (I was pretty young).

While I admit my opinion on Obama started leaning negative in 2014, even when living in the US I didn't really understand why there was no real prosecution of major financial groups following the the 2008 great recession.

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 5 points 3 months ago

He's not called TACO without reason.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Divided up one of the lesser countries vertically perhaps. How novel.

Traitors. Russians and Americans. Just fucking garbage stupid bullies.

[–] oupa_pineapple@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

He don't need to talk behalv of Ukraine.