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Why is Matrix mentioned more often than XMPP in self hosted forums? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm looking into hosting one of these for the first time. From my limited research, XMPP seems to win in every way, which makes me think I must be missing something. Matrix is almost always mentioned as the de-facto standard, but I rarely saw arguments why it is better than XMPP?

Xmpp seems way easier to host, requiring less resources, has many more options for clients, and is simpler and thus easier to manage and reason about when something goes wrong.

So what's the deal?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Many people have not used XMPP in years or never and go by hearsay of outdated information.

Matrix on the other hand had several million Euros of venture-capital to fund a marketing campaign.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

This makes matrix even less attractive to me lol. But you're right, that's a very good point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Holy shit, that explains how this piece of embarrassment has conned actual people into using it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

has many more options for clients,

The problem of XMPP is here. These options are not uniform among the possible different combinations of servers and clients.

The situation has improved a lot, but there was a point in time where saying "this is my XMPP handle" was far from enough to know if you'd be able to communicate with others, and you'd have to figure out things like:

Does the server support MUC?
Does the server support E2E? If so, which?
Are emojis supported on the server, or do they get converted to ASCII?
Can you use audio calls? If so, which codec?
If my client supports "share live location", what do you see on your end?

Not to mention that until recently there was no decent XMPP client for iOS. Even today, the best alternative is siskin, which may have its vocal fans but quite frankly is pretty barebones and has a UI that would be considered ugly even in 2010.

Matrix as a protocol is technically worse than XMPP and Synapse is a resource hog compared to Prosody and Ejabberd? Yes, true. But at least I can tell non-technical people to download Element from the App stores and they will have a consistently-not-great-but-acceptable-and-improving experience.