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[โ€“] drmoose@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

How about helping businesses actually stay in Europe. It's almost impossible to scale up in europe due to insane moats everywhere.

[โ€“] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because people already owning shares in important companies or connections to politicians or company bureaucrats etc - they don't need to scale up. That's intended.

I swear, the humanity is stupid. I just can look at everything around me and see all kinds of socio-economic arguments to be right. All of them at the same time.

[โ€“] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

You absolutely need to scale up. I've been on several european teams who had to reincorporate under LLC just because its impossible to compete in Europe as a new business. There's just too much moat.

I agree and welcome meaningful regulation but in Europe its absolutely being used as a market moat, especially in tech. People who are defending this looking at this issue through the wrong lense of political theory crafting rather than how these tools are used in practice.

The only places in Europe that are actually growing tech now are Eastern european countries that losen up the moat to allow innovation in and dont have strong incumbents that reinforce the moat.

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[โ€“] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

So you all are hiring soon? Lol

you don't have to have a silicon valley

[โ€“] Ptsf@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Ban might be a bit much, but we're using tariffs and taxes as a confrontational trade war measure. Might as well use them in return and funnel the proceeds into homegrown solutions that can compete legitimately.

And please hurry.

[โ€“] Pirate@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago

"We must ban bad thing from somewhere else so we can do bad thing here

[โ€“] plyth@feddit.org -3 points 3 days ago

That choice was made years ago. This is like native Americans realizing that they have to invent rifles.

We have a lot of expertise in the field of technology and the building of this kind of systems, so that is not the problem.

Citation needed. Who has the knowledge to create social networks or neural networks in Europe? Who is going to make them popular?

Lemmy would be promoted much more if people cared about creating European data, with a neccessary debate about copy rights.

The Netherlands has ASML that could produce the chips needed for AI.

That's one part of the process. Others can buy ASML machines but only TSMC has the best processes to build the most efficient chips and yet again other companies know how to design those chips.

This is USSR playing catch-up with Western digital technology all over again. It's a bit arrogant to think that Europe can do it simply by dedicating resources to it. Those in power have ignored those who knew what was coming. How are they going to know to whom they should listen now?

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