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TranscriptA crudely drawn ms-paint-style comic. The first panel depicts a person with an ancap (anarcho capitalist) mask. The mask is black and yellow, the colors are divided diagonally. The person is saying "statist bootlickers fuck off!" to a boot. In the next panel, they are staring at the boot draw an amazon logo on it with a marker. The last panel shows the person deepthroathing the boot, saying "At least it's not the gubermint [government".

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ancaps are corporate feudalists who want a cool sounding name.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even old fashioned anarcho-monarchists are closer to anarchists than ephebophiles. (Please use the correct name for their ideologies)

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

As if corporate feudalism wasn't cool enough. Sounds cyberpunk as hell

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course you have no right, he makes a big point about talking about the difference between slavery of the protected (which would be met with aggressive response from the private security they pay for) and slavery of the unprotected (aka poor, and thus are not paying private security to not be enslaved) which is apparently acceptable.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 22 hours ago

Ah, but is he currently paying for said expensive private security?

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

If they reply, I imagine it will be some hog wash about the NAP (non-aggression principle). Which in short is a honor code they expect everyone to abide (currently not possible because government). It is a rather odd claim for the ancaps I think. They are saying something about solidarity and no one will want to work with an abuser/slaver. They will also deny that Ayn Rand's objectivism is distinct from their ideas, but interrogating them shows its not. So they have an appeal to solidarity, but the selling points of their ideology are selfish motivations. Historically that means there will be plenty who find their selfish interests are to side with an abuser/slaver/colonizer. Id compare them to a religious fundamentalist that just found some contradictions in the bible and is working on the apologetic.

[–] Nednarb44@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That last paragraph was a wild read

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

For real. Sometimes its hard to tell if its a 4chan type being edge, but the whole things is a bit too candid to be a troll.

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sweet mother of fuck just blatantly desiring/justifying slavery is..wild.

“I dream of a world where I can enslave the poors with no consequence” essentially.

Oh, so you would prefer abolitionists running arouns being mean to you?

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As someone who doesn't believe in morality, I approach this purely in terms of power dynamics and evolutionary fitness rather than "right" or "wrong." If you truly can subjugate people by force of the unprotected (by unprotected I mean not paying a protection subscription) and no one resists, that is, in Darwinian terms, simply a manifestation of natural selection

Tl;dr

everything shpuld be slavery; work or die!

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Well I guess we now know what kind of idiot starts their manifesto with abandoning any form of morality

[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not gonna read whatever weird BS that came from, but I do think its entirely possible to have a coherent and attractive worldview without morality. If you want to make any sense to normal people, you have to replace it with a belief system that emphasizes community service and the common good. In the end, if it works, it winds up looking just like morality with objective foundations.

community service

Like... Like they make you do when you did a misdemeanor?

common good

Filthy commie!

I feel likeeither we're not working with the same people, or youre working with entirely hypothetical people.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

but morality is a fundamental part of getting along with others, it's necessitated by the fact that you don't want to be stabbed in the gut, thus gut-stabbing is bad.

if someone doesn't agree that gut-stabbing is reprehensible, then you know they might stab you in the gut, thus you have a very big incentive to tell them to eat shit and stay the fuck away from you.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But that's not morality, that's self-preservation. It's morality if you don't do it because it affects others in a negative way, it's self-preservation if you don't do it because you don't want negative consequences for yourself.

I guess we can only truly measure morality where there are no consequences for one's actions. That's why it usually goes out the window for rich people.

[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 1 points 4 hours ago

I don't think this is real or helpful towards understanding the world. The measure of morality is the shape of your life after you practice it. Your impact on others. Morals are about things that matter. You've come quite near to postulating that they don't matter. I cannot support this view.

[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There you go, starting to establish a new system of beliefs from first principles. You don't have to call it morality, if you don't start from some existing authority. In the end, if whatever belief system you build actually works, it winds up looking very like our existing moral code.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

very like our existing

Well, no, because thats mostly fucked up and awful and nonsense and made for oppression.

But it would totally include like 'dont kill people or fuck shit up for no reason.'

[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I unfortunately agree that people largely do not adhere to what one might regard as the normal moral code. In fact there are loud voices saying it is defunct. But its still there. We still use it to judge.
These are some of the reasons that I feel one should be open to rebuilding the squishy biz that is morals into something based on objective values. This project has been tackled by much better men, and I have nothing to add. Rene Descartes. Immanuel Kant. Even Friedrich Nietzsche had powerful things to say about reworking morals into something that actually works.

people largely do not adhere

And

we still use

So who is we?

buncha moral philosophers nobody's read said stuff about moral philosophy

Okay. I even like some of it. Not the basis of anything we have, which amounts to a tangled shit show of messy tribal loyalties and group membership signifiers. Most people are not moral actors. They have none, they believe in less than that.

into something that actually works

We'd need to start from scratch.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nothing is wrong with capitalism; but the current crony capitalism doesn't provide enough opportunities to be the boot

ancaps in a nutshell

[–] dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure we will ever find a proper cure for cronyism. The beast is multifaceted. On the most familiar side, we trust our friends better, on the uglier side, you have to sate appetites for them to lend power. I see this as our last big trial towards actual Utopia.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The thing is that crony capitalism is just capitalism. If you are a head on the market, if you have some goose that lays golden eggs, you are going to do everything you can to keep it relevant. Abusing systems or outright harassing your competitors included. By ancaps own selling point, "capitalism works because people purse their selfish interests". I often find ancaps debating this to be like a fundamentalist that found some contradictions in the bible and is working out the apologetics. The bible being good and moral becuase the bible says so is a tautology, and so are their ideas around capitalism.

[–] dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

Oh yeah, hands down, no argument on the ancaps. I was just rolling the ball a bit further down the line in my head and couldn't get past 'power corrupts'.

Then I wrote out 3 paragraphs of drivel only to realize that if everyone realizes the agency they have over themselves, the notion of manipulation flies out the window.

Hmh, I think I like it here. A few weeks in and I can already see a clearer path to utopia. Thank you for the inspiration!

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 59 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“Whenever anarcho-capitalism is mentioned to me in conversation, it’s usually followed by repealing the age of consent.”

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Capitalist libertarians still want a (mimimal) state, so they can call the cops to protect them and their underage wife

Well, harem. Their underage harem.

They want only the violence the state has to offer.

[–] jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I fuckkng despise how ancaps have completely coopted the term "libertarian" in the US, to the point where they are synonymous to most.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nowadays every time someone says they're a libertarian, I ask them about Mexican immigration. You're not a True Scotsman if you aren't even from Scotland.

There is the kind of old fashioned version whos wrong and crazy but not too much of a bigot and fun as hell if you can put up with how creepy they are.

Most who identify as ephebophiles these days aren't that guy, though.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I don't think true libertarians have good ideas, but its also not unusual that the libertarian party is largely for republicans that are brand aware as they say.

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