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It was not Trump voters who earned us our future, but the billionaires who made the Democrats so shit that fascism seemed like a good idea. The rich have all the power, and thus, all of the responsibility.
If you are seeing what is happening right now and still the the democrats would have been as bad I don't even know what to say.
I wish everyday Harris was in the office or at least a Biden second term.
Where did they say they were the same? Pretty sure they said those companies are why the Democrats are the way they are, which is true, they're why they suck at messaging, why they dont embrace the popular policies that won Mamdani his primary and instead demonize him. They line Democrat pockets with the caveat they don't do or say anything that would jepoardize profits. They line Republican pockets too, but for different reasons.
, why they dont embrace the popular policies that won Mamdani his primary
Mamdani is running for mayor of NYC. Urban areas are overwhelmingly more left-leaning.
The national party apparatus should embrace more left policies, but pretending that Mamdani is a blueprint for a national campaign is not realistic.
It was not Trump voters who earned us our future, but the billionaires who made the Democrats so shit that fascism seemed like a good idea.
Jesus fucking Chirst.
Not only are we at the point of absolving nonvoters, now we're absolving literal fascist voters, in exchange for blaming the Dems.
My favorite new conspiracy theory is that everyone promoting the "don't vote if you don't fully support them" people are all plants and fakers (with some genuine morons strewn in)
Unfortunately, I find that even less believable than most conspiracy theories.
People are genuine idiots.
Yes. Remember who to blame- the 90M people who abstained from the election.
I do, man. I do.
Sorry, but if you blame the people we need to help and work with, things will never get better. Blaming an electorally apathetic working class convinced that the system is corrupt is wasted energy. The rich capitalists standing in the way of popular left wing policies are why people didn't think they needed to vote. The system was too corrupt to think it was worth upholding, even if things are far worse now as a result.
I don't blame people for thinking electoralism didn't matter or didn't help, because the system gave them every reason to think that.
Sorry, but if you blame the people we need to help and work with, things will never get better.
You're absolutely right, let's absolve fascist voters for voting for fascism. They were just ~~economically anxious~~ 'disillusioned'.
Blaming an electorally apathetic working class convinced that the system is corrupt is wasted energy.
"Blaming people for voting for fascists is wasted energy"
Of course. People are never responsible for their own votes. The People(tm) are always ontologically good, unlike the closed caste of Capitalist Lizardmen Elites.
The rich capitalists standing in the way of popular left wing policies are why people didn’t think they needed to vote.
Oh, right, the rich capitalists vetoed the popular left wing policies that the people turned out to support in their parties.
What's that? No? This bullshit is a result of the votes of the electorate and not a shadow cabal of capitalist puppetmasters?
The system was too corrupt to think it was worth upholding, even if things are far worse now as a result.
I'm so glad accelerationism is all the rage now.
I don’t blame people for thinking electoralism didn’t matter or didn’t help, because the system gave them every reason to think that.
Is this the same system that has seen massive changes in accordance with changing popular opinion in the past 30 years alone, including massive gains for LGBT rights?
Nah those people fucked us over. The fuckers who abstained, the fascist fuckers, the rich fuckers. They all are pieces of shit. Respectfully.
Did they fuck us over when they could've prevented this? Yes. Does being mad at them help? No.
Being mad at the rich is helpful, but being mad at voters and potential voters is less so. I guess I forget how hard it is for most people to let go of unnecessary blame. Sorry
Unnecessary? They either chose not to prevent people from being killed or chose to have them killed. Trying to cosy up to those people will get me killed. Rather ignorant take.
It's not about winning them over, it's about not wasting time. It's not about forgiveness, but directing anger into something productive. Nothing good can come from hating the voters, as action against them will only make them more loyal to the system that's fucking them over along with the rest of us. The rich want working class infighting as it saves them the trouble of crushing us themselves. We have our work cut out for us against the people with actual power, so we better not waste time on avenues that will bear no fruit.
It's like a reverse independence day this year... the non-US world declares its independence from the US. But maybe next year, or hopefully in a very short amount of years, the US can celebrate its independence or liberation from fascism at least, maybe also from neo-liberalism. But first, fascism is hitting your with full deadly and extralegal force.
It was the tRump voters actually, and the Republican apparatus, and complicit media outlets like Fox news all doing their part along with the pathologically rich who manipulate both parties through lobbying and threats to ensure their collective benefit. The Dems are extremely disappointing, but the parties are not the same.
You were SO close but still couldn't help but reflexively flash your partisanship as you flaccidly gesture at the actual problem. Fucking figure it out.
I never said the parties were the same, yet that's the only way you can interpret my point. The Democratic leadership will never change, so one way or another, they must be removed from their position in politics. If we fail to do that, fascism or feudal stoked civil war will occur ad infinitum. However, you seem to interpret me as some apathy inspiring anti-voter, because that's so much easier for your intellectually lazy ass to handle.
It must be so convenient to never adjust your views, even when reality proves them wrong. I've changed my opinions given evidence to the contrary; could you ever do the same?
I have and do change my views all the time. You're asserting conclusions about my character, as complete stranger to you, that I have never changed based on a SINGLE COMMENT online, and you want to be taken seriously? Sorry I took your statement at face value instead of knowing to apply the grandiose philosopher lens where all nuance is assumed and nobody dare clarify.
If you were as objective and mindful as you want to project, you would realize I agreed with your statement actually, instead of getting personally butthurt in the face of a minor correction.
swastika car?
You left off the most culpable - centralized social media companies
I got Google; wasn't trying to be specific
Specificity is important here. You included Google but not Meta, Xitter, or Tesla?
I included a few of the biggest capitalist organizations, not simply people manipulating mass media. Our fascist reality is not simply the result of people embracing bad ideas, but the conditions that drove people to believe them.
People saw an economy that wasn't working for them combined with a party that favored the status quo more than the voices of their voters. Democrats being in the pockets of old billionaires prevented them taking popular positions and making politically wise decisions. Decades of neoliberal policies created economic stress that made populism the only winning strategy, and the Democrats never adapted.
I've talked to young people who voted Trump, and it was clear to me that there was more than propaganda responsible for the Dems losing their grip. Depressing activists, even the ones who loyally vote, did a great deal to kill support from groups that were the backbone of your party. They had no pro-Democrat narratives, only anti-republican ones, and that wasn't enough.
You forgot Elon's bullshit.