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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I read a wonderful short story once about mankind venturing into the stars where they become a symbol of hope, friendliness, and community across all physical and psychological barriers. They would be the ones you turn to in times of crisis, to deliver aid and make repairs, to mediate in times of conflict and to bring joy in times of celebration.

However, occasionally, the humans would see one of their own ships adrift in the sea of stars, and they would stop at nothing to destroy it. The abrupt and merciless hostility would always shock onlookers and associates. "Why" they always ask. The answer was always the same; "when the earth was suffering, they used up our resources and left us behind."

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

"If the billionaires are so determined on quitting humanity, perhaps it would be best to give them what they want and sponsor a mission to Mars so humanity can rid itself of them."

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[–] Widdershins@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

Let them be cake

[–] Rookwood@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Always will

[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We should abandon them, by expropriating their wealth!

[–] ExploitedAmerican@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Lew- e-geee style.

[–] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 17 points 8 hours ago

The Billionaires are a bunch of Degenerate Morons who diddle children, much as the ruling class has always been. They're funneling the world's wealth upwards thinking capital will insulate them from the coming climate crisis they're exasperating. How I wish I could be there when they realize that it won't.

[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Have they not learned from Mario's brother?

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Well, no one else has been executed. I'm sure a couple more would rattle some people.

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Perhaps they don't have human rights now? Means unaliving them would be legal and their weath is ours for the taking.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

A human's humanity is inversely proportional to the amount of money they have. After a billion, you stop being human and turn into a lizard person. We are quickly approaching the day when a lizard person will evolve into something even weirder once they hit a trillion.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 4 hours ago

It's because they become an avatar for their money

Every tweet Elon makes affects his horde. Every single one - and usually it's just a few hundred thousand and balances out- but occasionally it's hundreds of millions in the red

And Elon can't help himself. Most of them can

They can only be themselves in locations with tight information control, which is generally resorts with other billionaires. Who seem to be consistently in a pissing match with each other about their wealth and influence

And that's why they're fucking inhuman dragons

I can guarantee you, they turn into a lizard person way before a billion. I'd set it at $20 million even.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Money amplifies who you are. There are actually a number of quiet rich people living good lives, though that doesn’t justify the bad ones regardless of their wealth.

[–] ExploitedAmerican@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

There is a point after all your basic needs are met for Iife and you have enough money to do something fun/ intellectually enriching and interesting every day of your life and pay for any healthcare you may need if an emergency arises or as a result of your own mortality where the accumulation of more wealth to satiate your ego is detrimental to one’s own sense of humanity. I think $5-10 million is a reasonable sum for someone to live a fulfilling life. With the rate of continual currency devaluation through the increase of our national debt and introduction of more printed currency into the supply (the main driving forces of inflation which current inflation models used by the IMF and world Bank intentionally exclude from their inflationary models) $20-25 million may be more reasonable in the next several decades.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Reagan and Thatcher were politically successful, remaking even their center-left opponents such as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair into celebrants of streamlined government. But this political success has not in fact solved the problem of stagnation, which remains as severe, by Thiel’s account, as it has ever been. Thiel and his cohorts have gotten everything they want politically, but that has still failed to solve the key problem of our time. The fact that he still advocates a failed economic program suggests the deeper stagnation is in his own mind.

Since politics has failed, Thiel and the other plutocrats are also toying with another solution: secession from society and the human species. Thiel has long been an advocate of various post-human technological solutions that will allow him and his fellow plutocrats to free themselves from the stagnant mass of humanity: cryonics (to overcome death), sea-steading (to create sea-board libertarian utopias), colonizing Mars, and artificial intelligence.

I'm all for it. Send them to Mars and make sure they don't come back!

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

One of the things I wish we'd stop doing is treating these guys as if they are rational, coherent political actors. They are not. They are unbelievable weirdos. And not the good kind, either. They're more like the kind of weirdos that I would not be surprised if came out later that they had a collection of human thumbs in a jar in their basement.

They are not defending conservatism and tradition. They are hard selling accelerationism and the complete breakdown of our world because they've convinced themselves that in 5 or 10 or 20 years they will have an AI that can do literally anything, from telling them how to rewire their bodies to survive on Mars to teaching them how to upload their consciousnesses to the Internet and live forever as digital gods, ruling the galaxy.

And I know that sounds like comical hyperbole, but that's what they very seriously and very literally believe according to Greg Fish, a compsci grad student and popular tech blogger, who, over a decade ago, was invited to be an advisor at the Lifeboat Foundation, one of the many think tanks they set up to convince themselves that this was all possible. He gave them a hard no, and wrote some articles skeptical of them on True Slant, which is now owned by Forbes. Immediately he got calls from the Director of the Singularity Institute challenging him to a public debate. This was all over a decade ago. And since then, because of the hyperventilating discourse around AI and ChatGPT, it's only gotten much, much worse.

So, yeah, if they seem really weird and like they've been marinating in some kind of "WH40K-esque" tech religion, it's because they are, and they have.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Sea steading, BioShock here we come...

But seriously the fact that anyone ever mentions Mars colonization as a realistic strategy to do better than earth shows how stupid they are. Imagine the least habitable biome on earth where no one wants to live, imagine it even worse by unchecked climate change and realize it's still just ashtoningly easier to live there than the most optimistic expectations of Mars.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 5 hours ago

Anyone who says that is pretty stupid, but I don't think I've ever met someone who actually held that position

I will say that working to colonize Mars will teach us to fix the Earth... But it would be real nice if we stopped fucking up the Earth in the first place

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Personally, I would prefer Venus. I want these bastards to melt.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 5 hours ago

Nah, Mars sounds great. A tiny prison of their own making, as the corners they cut slowly come back to bite them? That's poetic

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

A second time.

The first time was stealing from everybody to become billionaires in the first place.

well yeah, it seems to be a karmic thing. the pattern repeats life after life, age after age, until it splits off the main-stream and becomes its own thing, independent, permanent.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 30 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Thiel has worried that Western civilization had entered a period of long-term stagnation in the 1970s which will continue unless there is a radical shake-up. This stagnation has many dimensions: lower economic growth, fewer world-changing scientific discoveries, and a general cultural malaise.

Imagine looking back at the proud of time where there was literally the most advances in the wildest technology and thinking it's stagnation. It was from a time period where people remembered refrigeration as new and exciting to the time where your phone has more computing power than the ones that put people on the moon, and it's in your freaking pocket, and say that technology stagnated.

As for the lower economic growth and the "stagnating" culture, that's squarely on the shoulders of corporations, and therefore, billionaires.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

interestingly, i get the sentiment that the economy has stalled since the 1970s from a surprising number of people, and i figured out that it's probably because blue-collar jobs have stagnated since the 1970s, and that's what most people feel. That sentiment coming from Thiel, who invests in software, is very weird though.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

The thing is that while people struggle harder and harder for a smaller chunk of scraps, they still have a lot of quality of life improvements over the standard of living back in the 70s.

You almost certainly have decent access to passable air conditioning, which was far from a given back then. Even if you can't afford decent health care, the sporadic health care you can get is still better than the standard of care then. You can have a 60 inch television and more content provided to it than you could imagine.. You can instantly engage with people all over the world.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

On the scientific discoveries, we have gotten the low hanging fruit. The twentieth century was remarkable, but the limitations of physics are harsh. A lot of excitement as we went from barely pulling off heavier than air flight to a moon landing in under 50 years. Media naturally imagined space exploration to be just a matter of time. Alas everything is exponentially harder and any further loopholes are supremely elusive.

Probably the one area with a great deal of unrealized potential would be biology, because the ethical easy forward is slow.

[–] match@pawb.social 16 points 13 hours ago

man who hoarded and centralized wealth from software companies concerned about decay of entrepreneurship

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 41 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

If every piece of MAGA trash you know isn’t afraid of you, you’re a coward and a failure.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

That's too generous.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

I think they already do, hence the private islands and Bond villain style lairs.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 29 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They never had any humanity to begin with. It is the only way to become a Billionaire.

and there i was standing on the crossroads of destiny, choosing to keep either my enterpreneurial spirit, or my humanity ...

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

Steps to become a billionaire:

  1. Abandon humanity
  2. Step-on children's smiles
  3. Fund a feasibility study on turning poor into fuel
  4. Second study to prove those idiots in the first study wrong
  5. Replace gym equipment in second home with dogs you can kick and hit for exercise. The dogs must be trained service animals in active service to people who need them. You bankrupt those people at great personal expense and then you buy their dogs for pennies.
  6. Lunch
  7. Become billionaire
  8. Take cool pictures with swords. Don't show nobody.
  9. Abandon humanity
  10. Something kardashian related
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 32 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Peter Thiel and his friends feel they no longer belong to our species.

Hard to argue with that actually. I'm going to go with they're some terrible type of worm, slug, or parasite rather than human beings.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

hey, don't insult insects like that :D

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 33 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe it is required to be inhumane to be a billionaire?

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 28 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

And, for an instant, she stared directly into those soft blue eyes and knew, with an instinctive mammalian certainty, that the exceedingly rich were no longer even remotely human.

William Gibson, Count Zero (Sprawl, #2)

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/126076-and-for-an-instant-she-stared-directly-into-those-soft

Like the torment Nexus tweet, I feel like some rich idiots read stuff like that and think it's a good idea.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 32 points 17 hours ago
[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 129 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Think about how much empathy your parents generation has for yours. They kind of sympathize, wish things were easier, but ultimately do not understand the wealth gap or your day-to-day.

Think about how much empathy you have for a 3rd world exploited labourer. You kind of sympathize, definitely wish things were easier, but ultimately do not understand on how they live on less than a dollar a day.

Billionaires aren't just one or two levels removed from understanding your situation. They are whole planets apart. They cannot comprehend our daily struggles. They do not see it except through summarized news reports that pander and reframe it to their lifestyle.

Billionaires are the most removed species on this planet

[–] Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world 24 points 17 hours ago

Billionaires are the most removed species on this planet

If we all do our part, they could be removed further

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