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It's the "Hit Rock Bottom and Turn Your Life Around" narrative. But it's BS - there is no rock bottom. Things can always get worse. There is no miraculous cure. You need to make change happen.
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Meanwhile, the actual results of ceding the government to fascists is... increasingly right-wing leanings in the general population
Waoh but no, if we can just SHOW those damn SHITLIBS that they'll never win, the inner socialist heart of The People will perk up and we'll lead the masses singing the Internationale straight to DC. That's how Popular Support works!
Fuck all that loser groundwork shit, that's boring and doesn't make us feel very revolutionary, while STICKING IT to THE MAN makes us feel fantastic as millions of disadvantaged folk are marked for death.
Voting may not fix the country, but not voting can sure as fuck make it worse.
Democracy only works in combination with education. We are currently missing the latter so the best things you can do in the long run is educate everything else will only change things temporarily but makes them worse over time.
What is groundwork? I haven't heard this term before. Is it things like protesting and voting? Propagnda? Having conversations with everyday people? Or are those something else?
Getting ready, essentially; 'groundwork' as in 'preparing the ground for a building'. Propaganda, conversations, organization, convincing people, the basic, preliminary steps to action.
When do you think the Democrats plan to start on the groundwork?
I'm pretty sure it's fucking up to us.
Joined a union yet?
I'm a freelance contractor, man.
Freelancers' Unions are a thing too.
By actively sabotage it at every opportunity, we se it in New York right now. These people have just given up, believing themself clever for accepting a slightly slower decline and resent everyone else.
I'm convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.
Just look at the French, their government is terrified of it's people.
I’m convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.
That may be so, but if so, it's probably best not to strengthen the repressive reactionary entity you're planning on squaring up against.
And you should most definitely not discuss any real plans of action on open, public forums like Lemmy. Find a private, closed, and encrypted service that can be trusted and use that.
Better yet, log the fuck off. Don't have sensitive conversations online. The internet isn't going to save us we have to organize locally.
This is why I had to laugh so hard about the groups that wanted to organize via reddit. WTF?
I'm not in the states, so this is purely hypothetical on my behalf.
Definitely a good point.
Who, precisely, are you accusing of this and how do you think they are strengthrning the regime?
Who, precisely, are you accusing of this
Ghouls who constantly advocated things like "Voting doesn't matter, both sides are the same!" and we're now reaping the 'rewards' of.
and how do you think they are strengthrning the regime?
By literally putting it into fucking power, and then sneering at all action against it for being insufficiently 'revolutionary'.
Are there any peole actually advocating to do nothing? How many accelerationists do you really think there are?
There's been a lot of positivity about Zohran Mamdani lately. A socialist winning even just a primary in the largest city in America is a big threat. So there's currently a big push to tamp down on that and portray the movement as politically unviable and a handout to the far-right.
How long have you been on this site? Nearly every day there's someone putting forward the "Aktually, Trump winning is GOOD because now The Left Will Truly Rise As Was Foretold"
Long enough to know that's bullshit. You sure you aren't just browsing a specific instance? I browse the all variant cause I want to see what people are thinking broadly without getting in too much of an echochamber, and I don't think I've seen even one.
There are people in this very comm, nearly every day, putting forward that idea.
Like, if I go and grab some recent quotes, will I be wasting my time, evoking a "Yes but those are just SOME people, I would actually require (Number of quotes provided+1) to believe you", or have you just genuinely not noticed them?
No. There isn't. This is just an incredibly flimsy strawman argument that fails to conceptualize that there are alternatives to voting when it comes to exerting one's political will.
I've genuinely met people who say that voting does nothing yet take zero other actions to better their situation.
Holy Strawman Batman!
Would you like me to quote some folks on this very site?
You can quote me if you want, I can guarantee you'll somehow manage to misread "Democrats lots because they didn't hold a primary and ran a bad candidate rather than admit that the former candidate was sundowning" as somehow being my fault. XD
What if i told you that there are litteral dozens of completely electoraly irrelevant shitposters on the fringes of the internet that serve has a full time obsetion and scape goats to dissmiss that fact? What would you say then?
"Sounds like someone has a pretty small filter bubble if they've only seen dozens.", probably.
And you would be absolutely correct.
You need another no Kings protest. Do it again Super effective
What, more boring groundwork? If it doesn't overthrow the government immediately, what good is it?
What groundwork? I see more of the DSA and communist parties at 50501s than Democrats.
What groundwork? I see more of the DSA and communist parties at 50501s than Democrats.
What a bizarre claim.
I don't see you pointing anything out that might refute it. The DNC is still operating in Business-As-Usual mode.
I don’t see you pointing anything out that might refute it.
Most members of the DSA are also Dems. Communist Parties in the US are immensely tiny and, for that matter, often put forward positions that directly refuse cooperation with filthy shitlib movements like 50501.
Unless you have a remarkably specific local milieu, it's unlikely that you'd see more of both of them than of Dems.
The DNC is still operating in Business-As-Usual mode.
Okay?
I'm talking about the 50501 on the steps of the Colorado statehouse on May 1st. The Democrats were not represented, but there were half a dozen socialist/communist parties with booths set up and about the same number of unions.
Missed the 'May 1st' part of it and made a comment referencing an earlier protest; it seems there was a small protest on May 1st that was hampered by two separate groups not coordinating.
I went to three protests that day, only one of them had any official party representation and it was a local politician who had a speech to give. Nothing that might actually spur people towards action.
If it doesn’t act quickly it will be no good as they are fortifying their positions.
If only Very Serious Ideologues hadn't spent the past 50 years insisting that any behavior that didn't immediately overthrow the government (It Will Happen Any Day Now) was worthless, we might be in a better position to act quickly.
But hell, if your idea is to act quickly, by all means - act! But if your thought is "Laying groundwork is worthless", you had better goddamn be acting instead of preparing, because if you're doing neither, you're not really any better than any "Price of eggs" ghoul who doesn't care how many foreign children die as long as their omelets remain cheap.
These fools wouldn't understand that real protest requires direct action. None of this begging bullshit and hoping for the establishment to be swayed against its own self interest.
But protesting is how we win. Did you not see the Democrats during the state of the Union speech. Did you see the Booker marathon reading. George Floyd protest. No Kings. That port shut down whatever the fuck that was. Occupy. Occupy 2. The woman's March.
lol
I love that your personality is "Don't vote for a Democratic candidate or protest, it's useless", but people like you never bother to propose a realistic alternative. I'm sure you have a super secret solution that will totally work 😉
I literally have tons of ideas. Really simple shit too but you all love to argue so much and never learn. The leftist of today are the same leftist that let FBI infiltrate their most effective groups in the 70s and let them turn them into nonsense cults to kill any momentum. There the same leftist that took occupy wallstreet and turned it into a nonsense cult of stoners clicking their fingers in a park. It's the same leftist that went from having a dominant cultural position with media and tech and has handed it to the right wing on a platter. The same leftist that have removed themselves from every social spaces allowing right wing ideas to rapidly spread while we all sit in the corner laughing about Ed Sheeran moth beans.
We need engagement and capture. I watched the right wing spend a year building a network of accounts from the ground up. That network spread information rapidly. And by information, it was literally shit posts. Trump on horseback with no shirt soy Wojack nonsense. And it fucking worked. It's the most bullshit thing you accept but it's true. People need to act like a network flood the channels with the messages to refute theirs.
What ideas do you have? I hadn't heard the term groundwork before now, and I don't know what this debate is about really. Can you explain?