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[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

And so it begins.

[–] who@feddit.org 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I would like to see California boldly and forcefully repel this invasion, but I don't know how it would work.

The California National Guard is part of the National Guard of the United States, a dual federal-state military reserve force.

When National Guard troops are called to federal service, the president serves as Commander-In-Chief. The federal mission assigned to the National Guard is: "To provide properly trained and equipped units for prompt mobilization for war, national emergency or as otherwise needed."

The governor of California may call individuals or units of the California National Guard into state service during emergencies or special situations. The state mission of the National Guard is: "To provide trained and disciplined forces for domestic emergencies or as otherwise provided by state law."

Role: Organized militia
Size: 24,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_National_Guard

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When I look at this as Trump and his gang deliberately inciting conflict with state/local governments in order to have an excuse to seize control from them before the next election, the situation becomes even trickier.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the governor activates them first, it limits the reasons the president can activate them and override the governor.

Of course Trump would try to do it anyway, meaning the NG commander would have to decide who to follow (and let's be real, it would probably be the president).

[–] AngrySquirrel@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

States giving up their military power was a mistake. States need to rebuild and restore their State Guards/State Defense Forces. The ability to federalize the National Guard removes its ability to function as the State Militias that it replaced.

[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, the mistake was the complete corruption of US politics through naked graft and a FPTP voting system leading to extremist views being the only rallying opposition to reasonable stances.

The government needs to get purged of lobbyists and money.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

Why not both ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, being able to federalize them was intended. We weren't supposed to have a standing federal army, only call them up from the militias as needed.

Turned out pretty quick that that didn't work too well in reality.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 1 day ago

State militias were never intended to fight the national government. In fact, they were intended to help fight insurrection.

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15. The Congress shall have Power * * * To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

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I hope they're scared

[–] malloc@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What’s to stop Cali national guard from ignoring Orange man? Or maybe I have been watching/reading too much fiction.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Drawing the ire of the federal government. If their commander refuses, he'll be removed and replaced with someone who will comply.

That commander is appointed by the CA governor, and I don't see Newsom fighting the feds on this (or much of anything, really, so far it's only been joint lawsuits against economic issues). Conceivably, Trump could argue that when federalized, he could remove the commander himself and appoint an interim commander, or just leave it unfilled and have DoD control them directly.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Their feelings. Soldiers are humans, not machines. They will go with their hearts and minds to decide whom they fight for.

Hopefully, they will decide to side with the good guys, not Agent 'Krasnov' Orange.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

They swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. They have a duty to ignore, report, or even actively resist an unconstitutional command.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 12 points 1 day ago

The national guard is under federal control. California will have its own state guard.

[–] dnick@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Time to fuck up some fascist. Someone is going to get domed soon when the current escalation.

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