the whole point of Christianity is that Jesus sacrificed himself to absolve humanity of the original sin. The cross represents the sacrifice.
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Highly suspicious that we elected this representation of this sacrifice without written approval by Jesus himself, ey?
Except earlier it said to have no idols. The cross is an idol. You can appreciate a sacrifice without using the tool that caused such sacrifice as a form of worship. If your father jumped in front of you and died to a gun shot, he sacrificed his life to save you and you would be appreciative. Would you then wear a gun necklace around your neck to show you love your dad and the sacrifice he made for you? By sanctifying his murder weapon?
If God is all powerful then why not just absolve us from the sin?
If this sacrifice was required, then he is not all powerful or he is into torture pron.
Yeah, none of that makes sense. How much do you have to disengage your intelligence to somehow believe in that baloney enough to actually rule your life by it? Seriously weird.
LIES THEY USED DIE FISHE SYMBOL IN ITS EARLIER LIFESPAN!!!!
Read this like he said it
“You think if Jesus comes back he ever wants to see another fucking cross? Thats probably why he hasn’t come back yet. ‘Nope, they’re still wearing crosses.’ That’s like walking up to Jacky Onassis wearing a rifle on your lapel. ‘Just thinking about John, Jacky.’” finger guns
- Bill Hicks
Ironically, the cross is a symbol of unjust suffering. Something which the more prominent wearers like to inflict on others.
Everything about Christianity is basically backwards from what Jesus actually fucking said.
No idolatry is the first commandment for a reason. People that worship the idol of the cross have already failed to learn what the religion was to teach.
Basically, look at Republicans. They absolutely worship the flag yet at the same time defile everything the country supposedly stands for.
10 commandments are old testament, new testament says love your neighbor was the most important one.
No, it represents how Jezus died for our sins, so that we can be free to sin as we please.
thank u jesus for letting us do trig
The American Christian message: Act like Jesus and we will crucify you too.
Christianity is a man made religion shaped to control people in which you are supposed to "worship" a really high authority that cannot be questioned.
Are their non man made religions I should know about?
I feel like dogs would have a good religion. I wanna subscribe to that.
I like the part where they worship me.
if one uses the broad meaning of "religion" then i'd say unorganized ones aren't really manmade, like hunter-gatherers just vaguely assuming the moon is "a spirit or something i guess" isn't comparable to christianity or islam.
Nah, that's actually exactly comparable to Islam and Christianity.
A difference exists in that those sentiments has less implications for daily life. People sharing spiritual speculation about the greater universe with the humility to recognize they have no way of knowing better than anyone else, fine.
I'm not bothered by the faith in something beyond what we can see in and out itself. But the bits where self asserted alignment to a silent but divine authority as a way to decide value and authority among people.. There's the problem.
I do not question the authority of someone's God, I question the authority of the people claiming that God agrees with them.
I can’t speak for everyone, but when I wear a cross it’s in reference to Matthew 16:24
Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?”
To me the cross is symbolic of finding the courage to live our lives motivated by a radical love in order to overcome the fear of death and pain.
It’s like Goku once said while fighting to save the world “this is the power to go further beyond”
Potential problem:
The Greek word that is, in basically every English translation rendered as 'cross'... does not actually specifically mean 'cross'.
The word is stauros.
What it literally means is roughly a wooden 'pole' or 'stake', and was colloqiually used at the time to just refer to any configuration of wooden poles upon which one would be crucified... which, while yes, were often in the shape of a cross, they also often weren't... maybe a T, or an X, or just a straight pole.
It was also used... I don't think in the New Testament, but other Greek writings from the same time... to just mean large pieces of worked wood used in construction, even just 'a tree', though those uses rely a bit more on the surrounding context.
The English 'crucify' is built on the assumption that it was an actual cross. In greek, the verb for 'crucify' is stauroo, unconjugated; 'to fasten to a stake or pole.'
... Its kind of like how 'Matthew' incorrectly translates the Hebrew word almah into the Greek word for 'virgin', when he quotes Isaiah 7:14 in Matthew 1:22-23, to say that Jesus' birth fulfils prophecy.
Almah, in Hebrew, just means 'young woman'... basically, of marriage age, so for the time, that would basically be... post-puberty, roughly 14, up to maybe early 20s.
It can mean 'virgin', but it does not specifically, necessarily mean 'virgin'... in roughly the same way in English, right now, a 'young woman' could be a vrigin, is probably more likely to be a virgin than an old woman, generally speaking... but it absolutely does not categorically mean 'virgin'.
That's definitely the intended meaning of wearing a cross, and a really powerful and important scripture.
It's worth remembering though that 'cross' isn't the word that Jesus said here but the Greek word recorded is stau·rosʹ which means execution or torture stake and the cross wasn't a contemporary use for impailment by the Romans, primarily because a stake was a much more painful death than a cross.
The cross was a pagan idol for many centuries before Jesus death and was later rolled into the account of Jesus' death by the later Christian Church to help with the conversion of those pagans.
Do you have any sources on the claim that it wasn't a cross and was changed later for pagans? The scripture references "coming down" from the cross which to me would imply the one we typically think of.
Also from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impalement,
"I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made differently by different [fabricators]; some individuals suspended their victims with heads inverted toward the ground; some drove a stake (stipes) through their excretory organs/genitals; others stretched out their [victims'] arms on a patibulum [cross bar]; I see racks, I see lashes ... "
Sounds like Seneca, a figure from exactly this time period confirms the type of cross we think of.
Do you have any sources on the claim that it wasn’t a cross and was changed later for pagans?
No they do not.
There are writings from around ~200 talking about how the letter T and Tau look like the execution cross. Around the same time where the word "σταυρός"(cross) appears in New Testament versions.
The change to the modern/lower case version did start to happen around the time of conversions and suppression of pagans began. But as far as I am aware there is no evidence that was the reason. Specially since it didn't really take off for a couple of hundred years, and became big with the crusades.
Of course he liked crosses! There was even that one cross he used to hang at.
Not a religious person here, but I think it's a metaphor, where we all are carrying a cross, like jesus did, but smaller... and lighter...
So not like Jesus at all then
holly molly, you are not a person of metaphors, right?
I think we all can get a metaphor, but when someone lives a super safe and convenient life keeping they're head low even in the face of some things with sticking your neck out over.. and then wears a cross to claim they too carry a cross like Jesus just because they put on a little trinket...
That metaphor in context cheapens the concept. Particularly as the meaning is somewhat inverted. The "cross" was for people that went against authority. Now the cross is more aligned with following authority. The executionor may wear a cross while they definitely kill the person using anything but crucification.
They only wear tiny crosses if they also have tiny Jesus on them. The lesson of the crucifixion pain can only manifest if everything is to proper scale.
just another example of Christians cherry picking what they what to use from their religion and using it out of context to better serve their agendas.
I have always thought that choosing the cross as the universal symbol of Christianity is the most twisted and sad thing in the world.
That is why I prefer the Ichthys. It represents Jesus's high point, when he performed a miracle for the all the people. For me, it's better to remember people at their best than at their worst.
Jesus is lord.
Cross defeats Jesus.
Cross is lord.
Christianity is just another weird death cult. I never understood why the Romans had an issue with him until I learned that Jesus was literally proselytizing that people were going to raise from the dead. I am not talking about the afterlife, he was saying that people are going to unalive and his kingdom would be on this earth with everyone who died coming back to life.
Fucking whacko to say the least and then sure enough his cult had him come back to life like he said everyone else would. Sooo yeah they were fucking crazy and so is everyone who thinks a ancient book contains all the answers. Hint: it doesn't.
The cross is important because Christ's death was a Sacrifice.....in a similar way to offering a live animal on an altar, or offering incense to a god. Its this sacrifice (his crucifixion) that saves us.
It was inherited from Zoroastrianrism.