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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Jesus was born in September and christmas trees are giant dicks. Yes you read that right. They're penises. Festively festooned penises. Blame the catholics. They steamrolled every pagan tradition they could find into the catholic canon in order to convert the peasants to their particular cult.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Okay so what makes pine trees dicks? I knew about Jesus being in the wrong month and about taking over the pegan winter festival, but nothing about dicks.

[–] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 10 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Because according to the Christian faith, the death on the cross is the moment of victory. The divide-by-zero that absolves sin.

So, I’m no theologian, but I did grow up studying this stuff quite a bit. Here’s a probably-flawed explanation of my understanding of the teaching.

God created the world, and the creation fell short of his image for it. That’s what “sin” is, a falling-short-of-perfection. God’s perfect nature requires perfection for communion with his creation, so in an attempt to bring humanity back into communion with him, Jesus (who is both God and human) comes to live among the creation, lives a perfect life, and is killed. The teaching is that death is a result of imperfection, so the death of someone with human nature who was perfect wipes out the “cost” of sin.

So humans are again able to be connected with their Creator, despite the fact that none of them are perfect.

Christians are encouraged to follow the laws of scripture not because failure to do so will damn them, but because said laws can be good for them. The Bible outright says humans cannot get to heaven through their actions. So when Christians get all high and mighty about sin, they’re missing the point entirely. (Or, perhaps, they’re following what they’ve been taught by people who use religion to control people.)

It frustrates me to see Christians championing anti-LGBT causes and whatnot. Like, I don’t care if you think it’s sinful, the entire point of the religion is that everyone is sinful. The Bible is clear on this. Jesus came for sinners. After all, if people were perfect they wouldn’t need a savior in this system.

Someone can probably do a better, more theologically consistent job explaining this, but that’s my understanding.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Because according to the Christian faith, the death on the cross is the moment of victory. The divide-by-zero that absolves sin.

clever romans cut that gordian knot: "he's the son of god? and god? ok yeah sure buddy, Romulus, grab the nails."

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The thing that really pisses me off is seeing Christians who hate Jews with the reasoning that the Jews were the ones who shouted for Jesus to be crucified when Pilot didn't know what to do about it.

If they didn't, your story would be broken as fuck and your sins would never be absolved. You wanted Jesus to be killed or the whole point of his existence is meaningless!

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

All cool but the dude's name was Pontius Pilate (Poncio Pilato)

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

As a bored kid in church, this is a question I pondered many times. Why would we choose to honor the method of torture that caused his death?

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

it's to honor the sacrifice he made to abscond humanity of their sins.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, that doesn't make sense either. How does dying by torture "absolve" (the word you were reaching for) humankind from their "sins," and what sins are they talking about anyway? Sins are only religious rules, and if religion is a just a human construct, then they aren't valid anyway.

I've never seen a religious message of any kind that made logical sense.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's a sacrifice of a perfect (never sinned) life for born and unborn innumerable sinner lives. The sin here is a categorical definition of not being perfect in god's eyes.

Basically if you were perfect in god's eyes, every decision, and action, conscious or not, would follow God's will. Being a sinner just means that, again, in the eyes of God, your every action does not follow God's will

Here is the logic behind it

An imperfect being life, untold quintillions of them, cannot ever weight the same vs a perfect one in god's eyes.

The original templates for Human beings, made perfect, willingly sinned , and therefore, made sinners of anyone born of them

The crux of this issue is very deep, but basically, God's whole sovereignty over his creation were being put to test by an opposing force (Satan) which basically tricked humans to create a situation that enabled the questioning of God legal framework for the then existing humanity and proposing that humans could, in actual fact, self govern and make perfect decisions with their lives without God's intervention.

The very nature of the questioning line implies that had God cleaned the slate clean, deleting everything as a bad game of Sims, his very nature would have been made obsolete. So this was a non choice in god's eyes

It also implied that, without sufficient time, imperfect beings would never be able to self organize to discover a way to self govern without God's intervention.

The third implication was that it was unfair for God to punish innumerable unborn generations for the mistake made by their originating template.

A plan was made by God himself to solve this, the bible calls this a prophecy, in which a perfect life was to be the sacrifice for the born and unborn innumerable sinners which were thrown into that situation (understandable, how can an unborn person have done anything to be a sinner) without being directly responsible for it.

Jesus life, born under the protection of god's shadow, being born. perfect (again never sinned) more than matches against the weight of any number of imperfect lives.

That's why the bible calls his sacrifice a "once and for all" kind of deal. It basically applies against 99.99% of anything a human can do consciously or not to sin.

Unasked

Undeserved

Unlimited forgiveness.

I can explain more but that's basically the gist of it

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

IDK and idc. I went to a nun school and I wasn't convinced either but that's what I was told it meant

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If God is all powerful, couldn't he just do that without all the bloody, painful, torture part???

That's what I wondered about.

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

The Cristian god prolly just enjoys a good drama

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

he could have just, you know, forgiven them. Like he preached. If I kill myself over a grudge I hold towards you, that just makes me an idiot. And, If also I go around preaching forgiveness to everyone else, a hypocrite

[–] Mickey7@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

I always think of Jesus in the electric chair and followers wearing little "electric chairs" on a necklace

I like crucifixes, i study their design and craftsmanship while the Karen wearing it is berating me at work and threatening to call my manager.

[–] marzhall@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Y'ever think about how if Jesus died by a guillotine there'd be guillotines everywhere

[–] ApatheticCactus@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

You think if he was shot the gun manufacturer would use that in their advertising?

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

Many Christian, but non Catholic denominations definitely do not use, or phased out the usage, of crosses ( also fish symbols/religious stamps/rosaries and so on) as they understand this fact

Also they understand that Matthew 16:24 is referring to a Stavros/stauros, literally a wooden torture stake/pole, in allegory to taking a heavy responsibility, in general, as previous context shows that spreading the lord's message, with the difficulties it may bring, to extract a heavy toll on the average person's life, up to the point of having to sacrifice said life

They also understand that even thought the old law have been abolished, the spirit of it keeps on on many of their aspects, so no worshipping idols of any kind (imaginary or physical) is seen as the practical approach

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Sam Kinison had a routine where he was pretending to be Jesus explaining why he hadn't returned yet: "yeah, I'll be back as soon as I can PLAY THE PIANO AGAIN! OH OHHHHHHHH!"

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The government just declassified documents that describe the first time humans made contact with an alien race. We found out that not only do the aliens know about Jesus, he revisits them every year for a big celebration. "Every year?” the humans asked, "We've been waiting for him to come back for over 2000 years! How did you get him to return?"

"I don't know, we're just friends. The first time he visited, we gave him a big bag of our finest chocolates. What did you guys do?"

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