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He huffed about how the question wasn't "appropriate" even though his bill would result in kids being asked that same question.

A Republican state rep from Michigan testifying about his anti-trans sports bill on Monday was left speechless after an out Democratic colleague began his questioning by asking, “Representative, can you tell me: are you trans?”

A long beat staring down out gay Democratic state Rep. Mike McFall followed, before state Rep. Jason Woolford (R) managed to reply, “Are you?”

“I’m actually going somewhere with this,” he said to lawmakers in the small chamber.

“Because I want to know, how does a 14-year-old girl prove whether or not she’s trans to a 50-year-old coach?”

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

“Because I want to know, how does a 14-year-old girl prove whether or not she’s trans to a 50-year-old coach?”

Puts on rubber glove we have teasts

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 10 points 4 hours ago

Generally these tests are conducted by pedophiles and kept secret, so I can see why the GOP has no problem with them.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 66 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This was EXTREMELY INAPPROPRIATE! Doesn't he KNOW that you're ONLY supposed to ask CHILDREN about Their Genitals? What a PERVERT!

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 1 points 51 minutes ago

God damned leftist groomers at it again. Won’t anyone think of the children’s genitals?!

[–] MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (5 children)

It's a complex issue for sure, but I'm really proud of this thread for consistently using the term "trans women" when talking about the differences between trans women compared to cis women and cis men in sports.

On Reddit, most people on this debate just say "biological males," "males," or "men" in situations where they're clearly talking about trans women, which is a clear tell that it was never about fairness in sports for them.

[–] Flickerby@lemm.ee 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I stay out of that fight because I don't know enough about the real statistics to comment on it. Which I feel like would drastically improve the situation if all these armchair "bIoLoGiCaL aDvAnTaGe" people would do the same.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I still don't understand why the government needs to be involved in sports at all. They're games, it's not that serious. Leave it to the experts within those organizations to come up with whatever rules are needed.

[–] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Sports is used as a revenue generator at all levels of government. Look how much taxpayer money is spent to build stadiums/arenas/etc. for the sake of the "local economy." Not to mention all the money spent on advertising and sponsorship.

All of which, of course, has nothing to do with lawmakers' arbitrary decisions on whether or not trans athletes should exist. Just wanted to point out how much the government is already involved in sports.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

I mean if it were up to me they'd be paying for their own stadiums. The rest of it is just taxation which applies to pretty much everything.

[–] Flickerby@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

America has a reputation at being the "best" at everything always. That's why government is involved in sports in general, but as to the trans women topic it's because we're in a full on fascist takeover and they're number one on their list of people to "purify"

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 1 points 4 hours ago

Bread
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Circuses <--- you are here

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not convinced it's as complex as people pretend it is, largely because the number of clearly dominant trans athletes are so low. Maybe we haven't seen a problem already because there simply isn't a problem, even if you could theoretically tell a story that sounds somehow "unfair" depending on your storytelling skills.

[–] MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

even if you could theoretically tell a story that sounds somehow “unfair” depending on your storytelling skills.

Yeah, they sure do love pulling the Riley Gaines card even though she came in fifth, making it a total nonsequitur.

And I totally agree that this debate is too big considering it only targets a tiny handful of athletes. I say it's complicated because some arguments used feel, circumstantial? As in, "Trans women should play with women because there's only a couple of them anyway?" Would acceptance of that argument lead to tokenism? BWhat if, for whatever reason, a sports team happened to take on a lot of trans woman? I think that would be okay, but I worry it would dredge the debate up all over again.

Or, people often say, "Trans women should be allowed to play with women because they rarely win anyway." But what if a trans woman ends up on a winning streak and then another controversy erupts? I feel uncomfortable that our condition for entry is framed as our failure to win, and that if we win, then by implication we get othered as opposed to just being a woman who won a sports game one time. This recently happened, actually. https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/ca-school-sports-authority-panders

This is to say, I'm just thinking aboug how we come to a supporting argument that ages with grace? And what argument should that be? Not that I think any pro-trans argument would satisfy some people, with it being the wedge issue that makes TERFS out of people originally left of center. I guess I don't know the answer at this point.

[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

Idk but usually starting somewhere like "there are ten transgender athletes in all NCAA sanctioned college sports across the entire country" points out how fucking stupid legislating on this issue really is. You can feel whatever way you want to feel about it but this is a made up issue being used to restrict rights. Simple as.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Its not complicated at all.

Trans folks are just folks. Takes all kinds. Mind your own business.

People who can't mind their own business are assholes. And should be treated like the assholes they are.

Not to mention just how blatantly disrespectful it is to not treat people how they want to be treated. Republicans love to pull a bible out of their gaping holes when it suits them right? Luke 6:31-36.

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 7 points 12 hours ago

Fundies largely ignore the New Testament, especially anything Jesus is quoted as saying (they're more in line with St Paul, especially the Epistles that he probably didn't write) and they aggressively cherry-pick the Old. For example, they're always wearing clothing made of mixed fiber types, so they're going to burn in hell: it's an abomination according to Leviticus. And all the requirements to welcome foreigners among you, and requiring extreme hospitality to strangers: they just pretend that part isn't there.

And as for the Old Testament (the Tanakh) itself, the Jews, over millennia, developed a whole apparatus of analysis and exegesis (the Talmud) to take the various fairy tales, genealogies, records of the actions of kings and prophets, poems and nationalistic history and try to draw conclusions as to what they're telling us. The fundies, in their arrogance, instead believed that anyone could interpret a translation of those texts with no context, no critical thought, and no use of reason, as long as they pretended they believed hard enough. They're like the Sovereign Citizen morons interpreting case law as though it's based on magic phrases.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Oh. Fucking Reddit is so fucked. That place has fully embraced the scum. All meaningful conversation there is absolutely dead, conservatives have absolutely poisoned the well and nobody is open for business even if they want to be. Even good mods are 100% scorched earth, which can be nice, but sometimes the questions are genuine and the person they're having a convo with can easily destroy them. But because there's so much sockpuppeting and astroturfing and just shitty behavior, most people are now deaf and lazy, and even in the same comment threads, it becomes an echo chamber of two idiots trying to appeal to the audience with mic drops.

Even if it weren't totally cooked from admins to culture, reddit is unreliable, untrustworthy, and functionally useless.

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[–] match@pawb.social 24 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

trans guys have bigger dicks than republican legislators, so this is a fair question

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 20 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Last time I was at the gynecologist’s- “that’s unusually big - are you sure you aren’t intersex”?

Nurse told me my dong was big, hehe.

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[–] DropThePot@lemy.lol 112 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I swear to god republicans found out Penis Inspection Day wasn't real and are now making it a thing to save face.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 242 points 1 day ago (16 children)

I love this. This is a really good, simple, impactful strategy.

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[–] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

“out Democratic”

What does that mean?

[–] relation_anon4238@thelemmy.club 4 points 9 hours ago

I assume they mean “out gay”, someone who is openly gay.

Out Democratic I guess is being openly Democratic.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 146 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure he's MS13. We should deport him just in case.

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