Goddamn it. This community is nothing but posts about the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and it's so fucking boring. Because you have the same users having the same fights in very post. RIP the Ye Power Trippin' Bastards community.
Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
Posting Guidelines
All posts should follow this basic structure:
- Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
- What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
- Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
- Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
- Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
Rules
- Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.
- Don’t use private communications to prove your point. We can’t verify them and they can be faked easily.
- Don’t deobfuscate mod names from the modlog with admin powers.
- Don’t harass mods or brigade comms. Don’t word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
- Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.
- You can post about power trippin’ in any social media, not just lemmy. Feel free to post about reddit or a forum etc.
- If you are the accused PTB, while you are welcome to respond, please do so within the relevant post.
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- YDM new - You Deserved More: The commenter thinks you got off too lightly.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless Mod: The mod probably just doesn't understand how their software works.
Relevant comms
Maybe if mods stopped censoring the people calling out genocide it would happen less.
But instead mods have to be Zionists.
Theres now zionists modding world news.
Now? Always?
They just shill DNC talking points and are part of the kamala's camp.
It just so happens that Israel doing genocide is their shill talking points imho
PTB, yes, but you don't get any points from me for recommending a pro-Tucker Carlson community.
This community is 'AltMedia' in the Mearshiemer and Walt sense. Not the Richard Spencer sense.
We like [...] Tucker Carlson
Yeah, okay.
I didn't catch that either, that list of names didn't include Tucker Carlson when I first subbed. That is unacceptable, white nationalists should not be tolerated
I'm crossing that community out
@AltMediaGuy@altmedia.house why are allowing Tucker Carlson, an ideological white nationalist, in that community?
Reposting removing explicit X hyperlinks:
Tucker Carlson has called out Ben Shapiro for cheering on the killing of Palestinian civilians, calling it evil, while Piers Morgan defended it (X link: SuppressedNws/status/1885475171667972426)
Tucker has gotten Matt Walsh to implicitly admit that Israel shouldn't exist, because it depends on the US for its existence: (X link: abierkhatib/status/1917775533355720801)
Tucker is a member of the isolationist wing of Republicans trying to prevent war with Iran, and has called out "Mossad agents and warmongers" for derailing the talks: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-allies-say-mossad-agents-and-warmongers-trying-derail-iran-talks
Tucker hosted an interview with Thomas Massie where Massie revealed that every Republican Congressperson has an 'AIPAC babysitter' (X link: HotSpotHotSpot/status/1799169397510311993)
AIPAC is bipartisan, so I can be bipartisan too. I try to seek out and include conservative voices that are critical of Israel, and amplify the isolationist wing of the Republican party that opposes wars in the Middle East. I especially appreciate Tucker calling the killing of Palestinian civilians "evil".
Make no mistake, Tucker Carlson is an antisemite and an islamaphobe. He is not anti-israel for any humanitarian reason, he only cynically uses anti-israel talking points to push antisemitic conspiracy theories. He does not care about Palestinians or any other Muslim or arab, he considers them primitives. He should not be platformed in any respect. There is plenty of genuine critisism of Israel that's not based in antisemitic conspiracy theories, there is no need to promote Tucker Carlson is any respect.
Carlson called Iraqis “semiliterate primitive monkeys” in 2006 and argued that politicians should be more explicit about calling out “lunatic Muslims who are behaving like animals”.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/while-tucker-out-fox-networks-islamophobia-problem-persists
He went on to say that Afghanistan would never “be a civilized country because the people aren’t civilized.”
During his time at Fox, Carlson was the leading voice in right-wing media promoting the racist, anti-semitic, “great replacement” conspiracy theory. Carlson repeatedly warned viewers that Democrats were “importing” new citizens “to replace the disobedient ones.” Carlson once likened the Biden administration’s immigration policy to “eugenics” against white people.
The Fox host was a staunch opponent of the Black Lives Matter movement, and often invoked racist tropes and stereotypes to justify violence and discrimination against Black Americans. On June 3, 2020, Carlson centered his monologue around a montage of unarmed Black Americans who were killed by police, laying out his reasoning as to why each victim deserved to have been killed.
It’s true that Palestinian Christians are suffering, though it’s largely because they are Palestinians rather than because they are Christians. Carlson’s message, however, does less to draw attention to the plight of the Palestinians than to pit Jews against Christians. In trying to excommunicate Carlson, conservatives are pretending that he’s changed — but he’s really the same guy he always has been.
The antisemitic and otherwise bigoted things he said on Fox were far worse than anything in the Isaac interview and received only a fraction of the internal right-wing condemnation.
Carlson is exploiting legitimate criticism of Israel to fan the flames of Christian antisemitism, which has become a growing problem on the right even as much public attention recently has focused on the left wing.
https://www.vox.com/2024/4/16/24131384/tucker-carlson-interview-israel-palestine-munther-isaac
He is not anti-israel for any humanitarian reason, he only cynically uses anti-israel talking points to push antisemitic conspiracy theories.
I disagree. I think he's sincere when he calls killing children evil, and that's good. And I thought his interview with Munther Isaac was very important for breaking conservatives out of the "all Arabs are crazy Muslim and want to kill me" false belief, even if it did focus on the sufferings of the small minority of Palestinian Christians.
I don't agree with everything he's ever said or will say, he may say things I the future I have serious disagreements with. But I think the genocide in Gaza is the most pressing moral issue of our time, and am willing to build a big tent coalition to stop it and hold Israel responsible. I am also a big admirer of Hezbollah, who are very socially conservative, for what it's worth.
Tucker Carlson fundamentally considers white people superior to non-white people. His grievance is that the fascism is being overseas when the US can instead use those resources to do so against the non-whites within America. Tucker is conservative on social issues because he is a supremacist for the white Christian race. He's a domestic fascist, enthusiastic about mass deportations in the US.
This is completely separate from anti-colonialist resistance groups, who's conservatism is a reaction to colonialism. These groups, while fundamentalist, are not fascist. ISIS would be an example of a fundamentalist and fascist group.
There is no ally-ship with fascists of any variety
Carlson is critical of Islam and has hosted guests on his program that criticize Islam.[433][434] He has described the existence of an "Islamic cult" and an "Islamic problem", describing it as a threat to the United States.[433] He was critical of the Obama administration's terrorism policy, arguing that it should have considered Islam as a cause of terrorism.
In 2018, Carlson described the effects of mass immigration on the United States using the terms dirtier, poorer, and more divided[435][436] and said it "has badly hurt this country's natural landscape".[437] On another 2018 episode, Carlson criticized multiculturalism in the United States, skeptically asking "how, precisely, is diversity our strength?" and whether any other institutions benefitted from a lack of commonalities.[438][439] Talking about Hazleton, Pennsylvania, where Hispanics had quickly become a majority of the population, Carlson said it was "more change than human beings are designed to digest".[407] In May 2019 he said, "The flood of illegal workers into the United States has damaged our communities, ruined our schools, burdened our healthcare system and fractured our national unity."[386] In December 2019, he falsely claimed that immigrants were responsible for making the Potomac River "dirtier and dirtier".[440][441]
Didn't get catch this gem lol
Also note the handle contains a notorious genocider Stalin
Hmm
It has been common knowledge around here to avoid news and politics communities on Lemmy.world due to heavy censorship to benefit US regime talking points.
You did your tour, you earned your ban, now seed smaller communities where freedom of speech and discussion is welcome.
Oh look it's a PTB from PTB.world
You did nothing wrong. PTB
Everyone gets banned from .world eventually. Friend, consider it an honor. And welcome to the .world-banned club. You've got lots of company here! :)
When I got banned there, not only did they celebrate my banning, they actually wrote a special post about banning me in the c/politics community (it's still there, people are free to look it up). All because I said I was gonna abandon the duopoly and vote third party.
And .worlders clapped and cheered the day I got banned, hoping that they had bullied me enough that I would leave Lemmy.
I'm still here. You will be too.
Brah, bail on .world now and find another instance to be your home. Because .worlders will start stalking you and serial downvoting you. You'll be a lot happier on the cooler, less censorship-y instances.
PTB!
PTB. I read some of the comments and you are in the right imo (Even brought sources!). The other person was just both-siding the whole conflict and even went on some 4 comment long rant, thought at least they were banned.
I also found this comment; hilarious how they weren't banned, but somehow you were lol
Love the promotions :) Oh and it's !world@quokk.au without the 'news'
Just checked that community; seems to be good. I've been avoiding world @ LW but this one seems interesting.
It's the one I usually recommend on similar posts here
Fixed, thank you for the the correction!
Well, there's this quote from you
Oh, so genocide is ‘self defense.’ No, fuck off with that Zionist bullshit
Now, while I understand going hard on important topics, because there's times I do itnmyself, it is definitely slap fight territory once you go there.
I agree with your stance, I even agree that it's a topic worth fighting over.
But it definitely is slap fighting from that point in the thread downwards.
I want to side with you because I agree with what you said, but the only PTB part was it being a permanent ban. They do have a civility rule in place, so it isn't like the action was taken in a vacuum. If the rule wasn't there, it would be full PTB.
So, sorry, but this one is on you enough that it's not PTB. I can't say you deserved a permanent ban though, so it isn't YDI either.
If that was the extent of my response, I'd say you have a point here. But that was in response to a multitude of disinformation used to blame the genocide and apartheid on the Palestinians, and I provided a multitude of sources to debunk those under that sentence.
I also didn't even call the person I was replying to a Zionist there, despite it being true. I called the bullshit they were posting to be Zionist, because it was. I explicitly avoided what could be considered a personal attack, and instead attacked the substance of their comment as bullshit.
Was it as civil as I could possibly be? No, but even then I'd say it's far more civil than any of those comments justifying genocide by blaming it on the victims, IMO
Yeah, but this community isn't about being right or wrong on a topic. It's about mod decisions.
As such, if there's a rule in place, and the user breaks it, it's kinda on them unless the rule is egregiously out of line in the first place. We're all expected to check the rules of a community before jumping in and commenting. That's just how forums work.
Once you crossed over that line, you put the issue into someone else's judgement as to whether or not to take action. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, or what the topic is. What matters is whether or not you broke community rules, and whether or not the mod took appropriate action.
See, that's what I think people miss. This community here isn't just a place to vent about mod actions. It also serves as a place to crowd source best practices, and as a form of "AITA" as part of that crowd sourcing.
If you come here with the expectation that the subject of the comment or post is the most important factor, you're going to be disappointed. In this case, I already said I agreed with your stance, but your stance simply doesn't matter in terms of what this community does. You could have been arguing the exact opposite stance, and it wouldn't change whether or not you broke a rule there, and thus is irrelevant to whether or not the mod action was appropriate or not.
And, hell, I even said it was over the line for a single event as far as that goes. Should have been either a direct warning that you were crossing rules, or a temporary, short ban to give a cooldown period
Any time a civility rule exists, there is only one answer to who decides what is and isn't civil discourse. The mods make that decision. They can be disagreed with, obviously. But if we as users behave in a way that makes them make a judgement call, it isn't always going to be the call we would prefer. And you did engage in behavior that can be easily interpreted as uncivil. It's our, your responsibility to check in with mods before going off if you care about the possible consequences.
You did and said what you felt was necessary. That's a good thing. Sometimes fighting the good fight has unpleasant outcomes. You walk up and punch a literal Nazi, that's a good thing but you still committed battery. So you have to accept that there may be consequences despite having the moral high ground.
I disagree that it violated community guidelines, as per Rule 5 I did not attack the person, but the substance of the disinformation. Use of strong language is allowed per that rule as long as it's not directed at a person which I didn't, it was directed at the disinformation.
I don't think it's reasonable for me to need to check in with a mod before I respond to Zionist disinformation on world@world.news, there is way too much allowed that go unchecked by the mods themselves.
If a mod was concerned I was crossing a line and messaged me about it, I would've complied. I certainly agree with you about what the mod action should have been if there was concern about civility.
JordanLund has already defended the suppression of Palestinian emancipatory slogans in the past. I can't say I'm too surprised by his actions here with that in mind.
I definitely agree with your last paragraph. If that communities' mods would prefer to provide a safe space liberal Zionist propaganda because they perceive it as civil, that's their decision. I have no regrets about my comments on that thread.
I mean, obviously you disagree, or you wouldn't be here
All I'm saying is that telling someone to "fuck off with that shit" is going to draw mod attention when there's a civility rule in place. There's pretty much nowhere on earth that telling someone to fuck off with that shit is considered friendly.
Yes, there are times it's justified, but pretending that it isn't also uncivil is sophistry at best. It doesn't even matter if someone else starts it, once a slap fight is on, it's on and anyone joining in is contributing to the problem.
Did you report the other user's comments? Because that's the first step we're supposed to take. Then the second is walking away. Now, again, I agree that sometimes you can't just walk away. If you scroll back far enough in my user history, you'll find a recent-ish situation where I tore into a transphobic asshole and was even less civil than anything you said.
I wasn't walking away, and I was definitely justified. But I'm not going to pretend I wasn't breaking a civility rule in the process, and if I'd gotten banned, I'd have been just fine with it because sometimes that's the price you pay. You accept that as part and parcel of protest and resistance because that's how it works. Hell, it's part of the point. If you can't take the heat of your own choices, you're making bad choices.