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[–] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is nice and all, but I don't know that it means a whole lot. There are few stakes for the people coming out to endorse Harris now. They don't work in govt roles, hold position in a political organization or an elected office.

The rank and file GOP (who are running for reelection now or in 2-4 years) are still sticking to the party line and the approved narrative. When they start flipping then it will be real news.

[–] USSMojave@startrek.website 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This isn't to sway them, it's to sway their constituents

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Which is stale 90s thinking.

You might be able to convince Patriot Act cheerleaders with an image to whitewash to make a public statement, but you're not going to convince any voter from the far right echo chamber to vote for any candidate from what they've been told is the party of pure evil their entire life.

The only people who haven't decided whether or not to vote for the Mango Mussolini are accelerationist idiots who can't be reached, people who won't be voting, and combinations of both.

To the LEFT of the Dem leadership, on the other hand, is by far the largest group of politically disenfranchised but persuadable voters.

They're trying to decide if Harris is too right wing to be worth overcoming the many obstacles to voting inherent to a system in the control of one party that despises them and another that takes them for granted.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I wish the Harris campaign would stop advertising how many awful people approve of her more than of a literal fascist. It's not the flex they seem to think it is.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Be that as it may, it still says that the people who have had personal dealings with Trump won't support him.

It gives non-MAGA Republicans "permission" to also not vote for Trump.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It gives non-MAGA Republicans "permission" to also not vote for Trump

It really doesn't, no. A few paleoconservative war criminals taking a personal dislike to him won't sway any member of the cult away.

Blindly following Trump as if he's the second coming of Jesus is more important to them than any other allegiance. The moment anyone speaks out against him, they become the enemy.

The only people who approve of there turncoat criminals are people who are already going to vote for Harris no matter what.

The only people whose opinion could be changed by a bunch of war criminals endorsing her are those that are already on the fence about her because of her insistence on arming Israel. Adding awful people who ALSO support that Apartheid regime blindly doesn't help with that.

Disclaimer in case it's necessary: while the reluctant people on the left have good reason to be wary of her, I'm 100% in favor of voting for her and then holding her accountable for her actions and lack of same, rather than let Trump become the last president of the US.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It gives non-MAGA Republicans "permission" to also not vote for Trump

It really doesn't, no. A few paleoconservative war criminals taking a personal dislike to him won't sway any member of the cult away.

Did you not read the comment you replied to? They explicitly said "Non-MAGA", which would be people outside of the MAGA cult, lol

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oops, missed the oxymoron. There's no such thing as a non-maga Republican. Hasn't been for years.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I believe they call themselves "centrists" these days, haha

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We prefer “conservatives.” Government to handle social issues capitalism doesn’t account for, and while they may chafe, regulation that protects the common good. No abortion or gun nonsense. I voted red in the 90’s, and now the same candidate comes in blue.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

In Canada, our conservatives are more like "Let's see what we can privatize. Highways, healthcare, utilities...cut funding for schools and other things, but write cheques to the population every once in a while so they'll like us".

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

First rule of rational politics: never let demagogues self-define their position on any political axis 😉

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Right?? Like... these assholes were whole-hog into the GOP... they have a track record of terrible choices.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter, the Democrats are killing the Republican party by absorbing its "moderates" and becoming the new right-wing.

They don't need lefties anymore.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

the Democrats are killing the Republican party by absorbing its "moderates" and becoming the new right-wing.

That happened in 2010 at the latest. There's children in middle school that weren't born before the moderate conservatives joined the Dems

The Dems are a party constantly avoiding being TOO successful compared to increasingly obvious villains and idiots by chasing the sliver of people between the most conservative Democrats and the least conservative Republicans.

The only ones killing the Republican party are Republicans themselves. The Dem leadership keeps bending over backwards to help them.

They don't need lefties anymore.

That's what Hillary thought in 2016