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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 64 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Kennedy got to the the moon. (Posthumously)

Clinton eliminated the deficit.

Obama did not achieve universal health care.

[–] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 58 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Congress wouldn’t let him. The President doesn’t write the laws and can only ask Congress to do so.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 47 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

Sadly, even if Sanders were elected, it wouldn't have made universal healthcare a reality.

You need 218 progressives in the house and 50 progressives in the senate. So... not happening.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Progressives would need to down ballot vote for that to happen. Would also need to support and fund progressive candidates.

Progressives currently can't even do the bare minimum (actually voting), in large enough numbers to matter.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 15 points 18 hours ago

Progressives currently can't even do the bare minimum (actually voting), in large enough numbers to matter.

Of course not!

They're doing something far more critical and effective!

They're withholding votes based on purity testing and otherwise being manipulated into nullifying themselves by online manipulation by the right.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Technically you need 51 or 50 + VP tiebreaker unless a Republican filibusters then you need 60.

You can change senate rules if you have a comfortable majority but I'm pretty sure they can filibuster that, too, and it might backfire like removing the filibuster for SCOTUS and cabinet picks has.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 6 points 14 hours ago

You can't filibuster a rule change.

Its literally been done before.

First, filibuster was removed for normal court appointments during Obama Admin

Then filibuster was removed for supreme court appointments during the first trump admin.

Neither could be filibustered (otherwise the rules wouldn't been changed, and we don't have 3 trump appointees in SCOTUS)

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago

He did give free or extremely cheap healthcare to tens of millions of americans and brought down proces nationwide by creating competition.

And if not for independent Joe Leiberman being the holdout for the 60 it took to pass any form of the bill he would have accomplished more.

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[–] CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 33 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (8 children)

Did bush actually have time for what's claimed here? He was mostly about removing rights from Americans in the face of a sham war. I don't think he actually had much focus on tax breaks for rich people...

Obama continued that ritual, removing even more rights from the American people under the guise of "safety". And Obama could have shoved Universal healthcare through but didn't - he watered it down in the name of "bipartisanship", but then ultimately nobody voted for the bill on the right anyways. If that were going to be the case, he should have just rammed through what the American people NEEDED; but he didn't -- because he wanted MORE MONEY FOR RICH PEOPLE (insurance companies)

Hell, Obama bombed more brown people than any president before him as well...let's not pretend he was an angel.

[–] Tower@lemm.ee 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The ACA wasn't "watered down in the name of bipartisanship". The public option was removed because that's the only way Joe Lieberman, the 60th vote in the Senate, would vote for it. And yes, what initially came out of committee was not as progressive as we wanted, but if Lieberman wasn't even going to vote for that, there was no way he was going to vote for M4A.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I wish he just pushed to end the filibuster.

Then, all he would've needed was 50 senators, he can sacrifice 10 of those 60 votes in exchange for a better healthcare system.

[–] PokerChips@programming.dev 2 points 12 hours ago

Obama's legaacy should prove that "playing nice", in fact, does not work.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 15 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (6 children)

Kennedy got to the moon by giving some Nazis a free pass for heavy participation in the Holocaust.

Clinton got to the White House by pushing for and signing the death warrant for a man who was executed with a mental age of 9 as a campaign stunt. Also a serial molester.

Obama became Pakistan’s No.1 Wedding crasher, had a personal kill list, reneged on his promise to close the US concentration camp in Cuba and bugged Merkel’s phone.

If these are the best examples someone can come up with, it rather illustrates how we got to this point. Those were the “good” ones.

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 13 points 17 hours ago

Kennedy got to the moon by giving some Nazis a free pass for heavy participation in the Holocaust.

This is a bit of a stretch. Von Braun and co already got their free pass long before Kennedy became president.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 25 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Kennedy got to the moon by giving some Nazis a free pass for heavy participation in the Holocaust.

Okay, so... you have scientists that know how to solve life-saving problems, but they used to work for the bad guys.

Do you execute them and society continues suffering.

Or do you offer them a chance at redemption.

Don't get me wrong, as hate nazis as much as everyone else. But I'm also a believer in restorative justice. Using their knowledge for the benefit of humankind is much more useful than just shooting them.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Were ICBMs for the benefit of humankind?

The space race provided funding for NASA, which directly or indirectly lead to the development of various technology we use today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Operation Paperclip was 1945

Kennedy assumed office in 1961.

If Clinton was willing to raise the taxes on the highest earners by 7% a few more times I'd let him fuck me in the ass and watch him fuck your wife, too.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (10 children)

I'm pretty sure they all overwhelmingly achieved the same goal for the rich, it's really very dishonest not counting Clinton at least at around the same level as Reagan.

(Well, Kennedy had that car accident, so perhaps he didn't end his term fully.)

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