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[โ€“] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Considering Mastodon sucks from a UX perspective i don't blame them or users. Mastodon seems to be a great case of Open Source and decentralized being so fervently followed that people ignore the absolute real problems with it thus ensuring it will never become any type of mainstream.

Actually trying to find interesting content on Mastodon is fuckin awful, bluesky learned what i liked and hands me new awesome artists pretty much daily. Combine that with the whole having to select an instance and remember how to use it and cross instance posting and blah blah blah and your average person is not even going to look at Mastodon

[โ€“] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have no issues finding content on mastodon, just search and follow hashtags.

[โ€“] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

And most people prefer content algorithms. Or maybe a better way of phrasing it would be they're used to and expect content algorithms. Having to actively search for and follow topics is not only yet another hoop users have to jump through (good UX has as few steps as possible to get you where you want, a good chunk of users jumps ship at every step) it also requires that they know which hashtags are being used for the content they want to see beforehand, which might be difficult for you if you relied on content algorithms before.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not only that have you seen user-generated content? There is absolutely no consistent tagging whatsoever. That is like the worst way to find things because everyone will tag things differently assuming they even tag it at all

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Mastodonโ€™s stance on the matter has been strongly opposed to algorithmic feeds

But thanks to ActivityPub (the protocol behind Mastodon and Lemmy) thereโ€™s also Minds (warning contains cryptocurrencies) https://help.minds.com/hc/minds/articles/1694176102-feeds

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Considering Mastodon sucks from a UX perspective i don't blame them or users.

This narrative is tired, particularly with Mastodon.

All open source projects that aren't violently ruthless about pursuing profits are going to lag behind tech companies approaching social media from the perspective of a cigarette company that also is selling the capacity to rich interests to distort, artificially elevate or silence perspectives.

Should we all push for a more accessible fediverse? Of course, but what is your perspective bringing to the table that does anything other than restate the incredible material inequality in resources between the two things you are comparing?

On the contrary I think the UX of mastodon is impressively boring and functional compared to the ever enshittifying slop and paper thin future promises served up by multimillion and multibillion dollar social media companies.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

And that is fine if you feel that way, but it's not going to match the majority of people and it's going to prevent the platform from ever achieving any type of mainstream status.

I personally do not agree with you, I find the ux to actually hinder usability. I do use Mastodon, because otherwise forming an opinion on it would be stupid. I regularly still struggle to find content I'm interested in on Mastodon, searching all the different instances is a pain. Hashtags are not adequate most content is never even tagged, even the stuff that is tagged might not be tagged in a way I expect because everybody tags things differently. This makes searching for Content I'm interested in very difficult.

I have to actually invest a pretty sizable amount of my time on Mastodon just trying to find something on Mastodon I want to interact with. Compare that with something like blue sky I open the app and the algorithm has already figured out what I like just from me liking stuff as it appears that I'm pretty much instantly greeted with a wall of nothing but stuff that I'm interested in in some capacity.

It's coming from a corporation that just wants to make money but the end result is that they gave me something that I was actually interested in immediately without me having to jump through a bunch of Hoops and that's just objectively a better user experience

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree that the UI is largely functional first (with no bugs since I started using it, which is hella cool), but it's a bit unfriendly to new users. For example, it breaks from convention when replying to a comment, and the themes need a better separation between posts, and it needs to expand on existing features. All it needs is a little TLC, but it's been almost the same for over a year. I've only noticed subtle changes on Lemmy UI and none on Mastodon that have any impact.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to overly defend the Mastodon project in particular, I use Mastodon, I have for years but yeah there are lots of issues with it.

....but the difference between Bluesky and the Fediverse is that RIGHT NOW, ALREADY you can use a different microblogging software written and maintained by different people with different ideologies and different objectives that will still interact and interconnect with Mastodon pretty well most of the time. Not only that, but Mastodon (and I assume other microblogging fediverse softwares) already have multiple different themes and the customization options are simply up to how many people are willing to get their hands dirty... and the sense of customization isn't a marketing bullet point it is a deeply held ideology that is expressed in the very architecture of the fediverse, Bluesky on the other hand can only gesture in the vague direction of these things without rocking the boat of venture capital investors too hard. They have not still as far as I am aware ruled out using ads, according to the CEO of Bluesky (which Mastodon doesn't have a CEO notably).

[โ€“] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Junkie Elmo is the correct character to use here. Why do we crave enshitification so badly?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Because Money ๐Ÿค‘ And Profits ๐Ÿ˜Ž And a new Yacht! ๐Ÿ–

What's that, you can't afford groceries? Fuck off, poor.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I wish people appreciated lemmy more than mastodon

[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As long as we're throwing fediverse wishlist items out there, I wish the Lemmy core developers/founders didn't have such gross political views.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish the Lemmy core developers/founders didnโ€™t have such gross political views.

Which are? A link to a story or something will suffice.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They run lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, they claim to be Marxist-Leninist and communist, they have profile pictures of both Mao and Fidel Castro respectively. They seem like generally reasonable people on a personal level but they do a lot of apologism of awful regimes under the typical guise of "just asking questions" and "free speech" and frankly I have no patience left for that kind of garbage.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is it a fact that they run lemmygrad also? I thought it was just some truly crazy people in there.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You can look into mbin. I prefer it to lemmy, personally.

[โ€“] lena 3 points 1 week ago

Boomers are used to Twitter- and facebook-like platforms

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They probably do, but that just means that they hate Mastodon and have never heard of Lemmy.

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I still don't understand what inherent appeal Bluesky has. Is it the familiarity? Maybe the delusional belief that corporations are the designated social media providers?

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It has Democrat toxicity instead of Republican toxicity. And no Elon Musk. Which is like cleaner and often less stupid, sure, but for a european not very relevant.

And something something protocol cool cool much. Compared to Mastodon, it has similar algorithmic feeds that Twitter has, which depending on your viewpoint makes it just as bad as Twitter or just as useful as Twitter. This + lack of masses leads to nothing ever happening in Mastodon, or at least that it seems like it. In contrast, those algorithmic toxic wastelands like Twitter, Bluesky and Facebook especially always have something "new" happening in them. Even if it's just AI slop, the dumb part of your brain gets happy about it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

It's simple kinda - one has a marketing team. Lots of wonders the power of spin and hype can do for you.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I'll say it again and again and again:

The fediverse is hamstrung by the need to choose a specific server.

I remember trying to help people join Mastodon when Musk bought Twitter. Every question I heard was about picking a server.

What's a server?

Why do I have to pick a server?

How do I pick a server?

Then there were the more thoughtful questions.

What happens if the server I chose goes down?

What happens if someone chooses the same user name as mine on a different server?

Mastodon, Lemmy, etc. won't get mainstream traction until someone solves this simple hurdle.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

The first time someone told me about mbin/lemmy, I had that exact issue and just gave up on it for a few months. This is especially true as there doesn't really exist any account migration (nor, probably, can there be one without any kind of centralized auth server or the like). I finally did move over, but two of the instances I used just shut down, one with basically no warning.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And they don't even say server but "instance". Like need special words to keep the unwashed out.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

@DemBoSain @Sunshine
I think that a part of the "server hurdle" can be solved - at least for brand new users - by initiatives like the Vivaldi Social network.

New to Vivaldi? Nice - welcome. Would you like to join Mastodon? Register here. Boom.

If people have heard about Mastodon and are curious about it, this is the easy way to get them hooked. No talk about servers or instances - you register and you are off to the races.

How this all plays into the decentralized nature of the Fediverse and who is going to fund those servers is a different question - but it is definitely the easiest gateway for new users (as you can see, I was one of them).

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I keep hammering home: instance doesn't matter when you start. It's more important for you to join. Once you join, you'll figure out the instance and then you can switch.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you though? You'll lose all your data, your posts, your liles, your comments, your curated list of communities and usually also your Username. People don't like giving up their entire existence just because they made a wrong choice in the beginning.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the position of migrating social medias in the first place though.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In my opinion it's not bad to have a diverse landscape with different options. I believe the best course of action for many institutions should be to use both of these options simultaneously. Any organisation with a social media, communications or other type of public relations team should be able to set up a crossposter easily enough.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

I wish fewer people would "appreciate" micro-blogging and short videos in general. It has too much of an influence on public discourse and the short posts aren't really suitable for the complex issues we face today.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Most are still on X here :(

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

X lost 11 million users in the EU

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Not really happening in the Czech Republic

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Japan still stubbornly holds on as well. Insta eventually started to take over some things from Twitter, but tons of stuff is still there. I created a BlueSky for the small business I'm starting here in Japan and my wife asked me what that was and why no twitter.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Particularly considering Facebook (I will die before I call it meta) blocked major Islamic Indians on their platforms as well as the biggest Islamic news outlet in India. Standing up your own instance on mastodon/lemmy/friendica/Pixelfed is the best way to avoid getting shut down by billionaires who kowtow to fascists.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Is that due to the war/skirmish/thing with Pakistan?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't get why more companies. Especially ones who might be concerned with control of their content like I dunno. lets say news agencies and the like. I don't get that they would not want to run their own instances and federate.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Especially when the Canucks account was hijacked by Elon Musk placing his crypto scam video as the top post on their page.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Tbh I have little interest in either of them

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