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claimed that the young American had admitted entering the US illegally from Mexico.
Unless the citizen was dumb enough to say such a thing, not impossible, this was a straight up lie and the officer should be in jail for submitting a false report.
And even if the kids did say this thing, it would in no way prejudice his absolute right to remain in the country. Even if he did cross the border illegally without presenting at a port of entry, he would still have the right to enter and remain.
They probably asked him something like "Did you use an official checkpoint to get into the US from Mexico?" And he said "No" because he didn't enter at all, but they interpreted it as he crossed illegally.
Fascist don't need your help, especially if you just have conjecture on your side.
I think his point was that they worded the question to make reasonable answers possible to be interpreted wrong to their benefit. In other words, they likely were trained to asked trap questions.
Even so, the guy said he told everyone he was a citizen. If someone asks me if I'm here on a visa and I respond "no" and then they arrest me and I'm like "I'm a citizen" you can't then act like they were using trick questions for plausible deniability. The second I say I'm a citizen that goes out the window regardless of what I was asked. If the guy answered every question with "I'm a citizen and (answer)" I don't think the result would be any different, so allowing them to hide behind "trick questions" obscures the fact that they are lying to get POC rounded up. They are lying and they don't need "trick questions" because they don't care what your answer is. You could answer the trick question "correctly" and still be rounded up. Anything suggesting that the fault lies in anything but the institution and its officers is a distraction imho. So I feel like "trick question" is a deflection/distraction and I have not read anything to even suggest that's the case. It seems like they 1) didn't believe him and 2) lied to cover it up. I have not read anything that suggests the citizen in question answered a question that may have been suspicious but I have read that he was not believed.
I'm not saying they "should" be able to get away with that. Just that they probably will. I am on the side of it should be illegal for cops to lie to you during an interrogation. Even attempting to use a trick question falls into the same boat in my opinion.
Naw
They're doubling down on that claim:
But a senior official with the Department of Homeland Security rejected the allegations. “The narrative being pushed about Jose Hermosillo is false,” the official said via email. “On April 8, Hermosillo approached Border Patrol in Tucson and stated he had entered the U.S. illegally through Nogales. He said he wanted to turn himself in and completed a sworn statement identifying as a Mexican citizen who had entered unlawfully.
I'm certain they have video evidence that this is the case and will release it soon so we can all see they were doing things by the book. /s
* without due process.
Remember folks, if they'll do it to the most vulnerable, they'll do it to the rest of us just ass soon as they feel its safe to do so. it is inevitable.
And for the idiots thinking we're not in Nazis America... Plenty of germans said the same sort of things with Hitler's take over in the early 1930's.
Official claimed Jose Hermosillo, who was visiting Arizona, was ‘without the proper immigration documents’
Feels like there should be large disruptive protests around wherever ICE is headquartered. Surely they have offices?
I’m not American so it’s kinda legitimate question.
Are there any good people working for ICE? Or is being an abusive racist cunt part of the requirement?
(I guess there are probably nice normal peoples working there but they are probably too afraid to stand up)
Edit: Wow, I didn’t meant to start such a heated debate. It’s just that from an EU perspective, you have tons of law enforcement from county to federal level, plus the military. But it’s always ICE that you can see doing the awful shit to other human beings. You don’t hear about ATF detaining a kid while showing him rape video of his mother (it did not happen, yet), it has to be ICE, it’s always ICE. Hence the question, what’s the difference between ICE employees and ATF/FBI/local PD/whatever employees?
There are no good people in ICE. It doesn't matter how they present themselves outside of work, they're all Fascist class traitors willingly upholding and legitimizing a Fascist regime, detaining and deporting citizens and immigrants alike ILLEGALLY, and filling the role of the Gestapo from Fascist Germany. Being abusive, racist, and a bastard probably isn't mandatory for the role, but it's the overwhelming majority of people who work there.
Do not pity or feel sorry for them, they'd kill you if they could get away with it.
A bad apple spoils the bunch.
We tend to leave the spoiling part out of the metaphor for some reason...
Well that'll serve him right, going around the place looking vaguely foreign.
Wow, I hope the taxpayers put a FAT settlement in his pocket when he sues them. Kidnapped by the state for 10 days? Lawyers are salivating.
Vance is paying them a visit. Oh, looks like they sent their cousin to meet Vans. Oh they be dead. Short visit.
I got a great idea from a history book! How about all of us brown people start wearing an arm band!
It could be really cool to see all of us come together... In the gas chamber or the self powering ovens.
Like do they toss us into an existing fire dead or alive? Do they need us to dehydrate first? Do we eat doritos since those things are like dry fuel? And what do we do between falling into the fire and dying. Is it best to scratch our names on the wall? Find someone to make love with one last time? Screams in fear? Just scratch the walls?
Mr. President, these are really important questions. Please have god answer those things for us when we're there peeing ourselves. Like a nice retirement would have been good. But blood stained last message to the world, I suppose that could work for me.
Furnaces in German death camps were necessary, because this part of Europe was densely populated, so there were nowhere to store bodies where they wouldn't interfere with the comfort of the general population. USA has so many generous swaths of uninhabited dirt, they'll just take some state with area of bigger European country and population of average European city like like Wyoming, and move all the undesirables there to live and thrive in Freedom Settlements, producing all the goods that aren't coming from China anymore.
Don't forget, "wrongfully" means incorrectly, i.e. against the law; it doesn't mean "wrong" as in "unethical." Practically every such detention should be considered wrong.