Aren’t these the planes that were grounded due the multiple crashes?
That might be a reason why they don’t want them.
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It is, but that’s not the reason here (even if not buying a 60 years airframe with shit avionics and too low ground clearance is a valid reason).
Most Asian orders are for bigger aircrafts, so 777 and 787 for Boeing.
And even without tariffs retaliation from China, Boeing is fucked because of tariffs. An aircraft is 90% imported parts from all over the world. Airbus is the same, but Airbus is not in the US (well, they have an A320 line there for US market but they can close it and keep working with the rest of the world from Europe, Boeing can’t do that)
If that were the issue they would have canceled the orders several years ago. Refusing the planes at this point is due to more recent developments.
They fixed the MCAS issue a while back. It now requires data from multiple sensors, is only able to activate once per flight, and has a dramatically reduced strength on that one activation.
Mentour Pilot did great videos about the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines incidents that go into detail about that system and its flaws.
It’s not about fixing that one defect.
It’s about the degradation of their safety culture and engineering rigor to the point that they were just blithely ignoring regulatory requirements that are written in blood. Management overrode TONS of engineers, assemblers, and QC techs in the interest of shipping shit and making money. This also happened in the 787. This also happened in the starliner capsule. I’m sure it’s happening elsewhere. Boeing can no longer be trusted to reliably and safely build things - it’s that bad.
Funny, they told us it was all because of DEI...
Big /S
It was because of Milton Friedman:
The sole objective, and only social responsibility, of corporate governance is to maximize shareholder value.
Can't forget about Jack Welch. Fucking leech.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Welch_Management_Institute
It's a trade action. They want them, and need them. Airbus and Boeing are the main, by far, manufacturers of medium and large passenger jets, and they are back ordered until the 2030's. But Boeing jets are some of the most expensive per unit US items you can use as bargaining chips.
China was the first country to ground them..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries
Boeing has 4,763 MAX aircraft in its backlog as of March 31, 2025.
Well, I assume that some other customer isn't going to complain about their plane being available earlier than scheduled.
Airlines usually customize the engines, avionics, galley, toilets, cabin interior, seat configuration, in-flight entertainment, etc.
Just because they're bringing the aircraft back, doesn't mean they get to ship them out to other waiting customers ASAP.
It's not usually Boeing that does the interior btw, and is usually done after delivery by a third party.
It’s called option, not customization.
You can’t put a huge ass spoiler on your 737 to have it stick better to the ground, and it will go back down anyway.
You can’t put a huge ass spoiler on your 737 to have it stick better to the ground
Just to “um akshually” a bit because I found this fascinating when I learned about it ages ago.
A spoiler on a car doesn’t help it stick to the ground better. Rather it “spoils” air, reducing drag and allowing air to flow around the car better. Like damming up the air between the roof and the spoiler, allowing other air to just flow from the roof to the spoiler. This means there isn’t a vacuum created behind the cabin, so you have less turbulent air and less drag.
A wing on a car increases drag, and forces the car down to the ground by creating lift (though since the wing is upside down compared to a plane, we call this lift “downforce”).
We often use the terms “spoiler” and “wing” interchangeably when referring to cars, but they’re very different beasts!
Also, airplanes have spoilers!
Also yes! And they’re very important!
Til, that is fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
So spoilers suck? Or they suck less?
Not if it coincides with a recession and drop in passenger numbers.
Well I assume the other airlines will inspect the Airplane rigorously when they know someone else already refused delivery for it, because they don't want a shitty lemon
Will Boeing have to pay 245% tariffs on re-importing them?
They don't have to pay anything, they're not buying them.
No, assuming that they weren't worked on any further and are being returned as-exported. Even if they weren't originally US made, you've got three years from US export to claim duty relief (assuming you paid the duties when they came into the US first time round).
https://www.cbp.gov/trade/programs-administration/entry-summary/hts-subheading-9801
The fall of boeing is all in all a good thing for the US. These too big to fail companies are a severe liability.
Who says they're going to fail?
The machine to have taxpayers eat the cost of those planes is already grinding away. They probably won't be used, likely sit somewhere and decay, but we'll pay for them.
The whole point of too big to fail is you get bailed out when you start to.
They wont because they will get enough welfare to be propped up until they screw up and start to fail again.
thanks donald for helping european manufacturers sell more planes. airbus ftw.
I guess they will have to roll with their Comac C919 in order to please Party Officials.
Also Airbus doesn't have the capacity to deliver new planes quickly right now
I'm sure donvict is an economic GENIUS and not at all a Russian asset.
What would have they done with only the back of the plane anyway?
If you put them together you can fly both ways. Round trip.
I see what you did there Dad
These are all those planes where the front fell off.
Hahaha LMAO stupid trump and maga morons
Alright Boeing, we know you have assassins for killing people in the way of your profits, where are they at?
They're probably not on staff and hiring them externally just got much more expensive and complicated.
Gig work really is killing the job market.
If they’re going cheap I’ll take one