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I understand returned payment fees for checks, but I’ve never been charged for having a credit card decline.

Stupid of me to sign up for auto-payment when I use my credit card for gas, I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Verizon...manually go in every month to OK the funds come straight from checking. Been using the same account for over 20 years and it is SAVED on the Verizon site.. Have plenty of money in the account, then one month it gets rejected for "account not found". Bank says they never even tried and i hit re-submit and it goes through no problem. Clearly a problem with Verizon's payment processing right? But they charge me a $30 "returned" fee and when I reach out to them they wont budge on it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

Verizon one day stopped charging me and canceled my internet out of nowhere. It was coming straight from my checking on auto pay. Then I couldn't access my account to set it up again and it made it hell to get it back up again. Not sure what was going on

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I'm decades old. The lesson I learned over decades is to NEVER sign up for autopay. NEVER. THERE'S NOT A COMPANY OUT THERE THAT BUGS YOU FOR AUTO PAY THAT WON'T ABUSE YOU.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bill pay pushed from your bank account is okay -- you can get even set up limits where it'll cancel the payment if a bill is unexpectedly large.

Letting creditors pull from your bank account is what isn't okay.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I really like SEPA mandates for this. Yes, they're pull, but you can cancel them with one click within 52 days, and the money is back in your account in a few hours (if not instantly).

Most companies that use it are very clear, since auto-pay by law needs a reminder or the refund is an automatic legal cancellation of the contract. (Of course, this is sometimes disguised as an upsell, mostly by telco's or "disruptive startups").

And they work across Europe, so my German cloud provider can use debits to pull the money from my Durch bank account.

The US not having such a consumer friendly system is really unfortunate, but not surprising.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

The US not having such a consumer friendly system is really unfortunate, but not surprising.

Well, they're consumer friendly, so of course the US won't have them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Totally get this in concept, but I'd be paying more in late fees without autopay

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, this is a hard lesson everyone should take to heart.

Edit: to add, most banks will allow you to set up automatic payments to go out to companies. This is a far better method because it doesn't put your finances in the hands of an unscrupulous corporation. (Well, other than your bank but those are the dice we roll)

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's expensive being poor. I used to get charged £15 if I didn't have the funds because I wasn't allowed an overdraft. Being unable to pay £5 left me with £-8 frequently. Because apparently I was allowed an overdraft if they did it to me.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago (3 children)

When I was doing Amazon Turk - had like $10 to my name, I accidentally clicked on “withdraw funds” instead of “deposit funds” for the $15 I’d spent ten hours earning.

Bank of America charged me $35 for the “overdraft.”

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Here's my "Fuck BofA" story. A long time ago now, I was really tight on cash on a Friday and needed a few things before my next paycheck on Wednesday. I knew how much money I had in my account, and knew what I could afford, and what I couldn't afford. I couldn't afford the gas for my car if I bought my groceries and paid a few other bills, which meant that I would just overdraft the card for the gas. I'd be about $10 short of filling up the tank, so I was okay with paying the $35 overdraft fee for the gas, because I needed it to get to work. I did the math, and I'd be roughly -$50 when it was all said and done.

Come Monday, I find that I'm at -$500. I look at my account history, and I see that BofA reorganized all my transactions from the weekend, processing them from largest to smallest. So instead of ONE large purchase overdrafting my account and accruing a single overdraft fee, they hit me with like 6 overdraft fees because of all of the smaller, ~$5 purchases I had made that weekend.

I fought with them for months, telling them that I'd pay the single overdraft fee if they agree to charge me based on the timeline in which I actually made the purchases, but they refused to budge, and eventually closed down the account, and also blacklisted me from opening an account with any major bank again.

The next year, a law was passed that made it so they can't do that anymore. But the law didn't make them pay back anybody that they already fucked over.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

We too were victims of the BoA shuffle which maximized what fee they'd hit us with. Was one of many reasons why we said goodbye and joined a credit union.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

I knew exactly what your story was going to be about by the end of the first sentence. It's so common that it's immediately predictable. Fuck BofA and their bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A lot of banks like to do that biggest to smallest it seems. The one I asked about it gave an excuse of 'the bigger payments are probably things like rent or car payments and we wouldn't want THOSE to bounce since there was some hard cutoff to the amount they let you overdraw. Nonsense of course, but that was the line given.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It’s your responsibility to manage your finances, not theirs. It’s bullshit that they’d even consider any method of processing payments other than first come, first served.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, but consider it as a holdover from when people used to pay with these things called checks (cheques) that would only have a date not an exact time stamp and instant electronic processing. The bank would receive a stack of them you paid on Saturday, but they wouldn't know when exactly.

It was still nonsense that would cause as many overdraft fees as possible to punish the poor, but they didn't have a way to say who was truly first.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Disabling overdraft is the first thing people should do when opening a bank account. It's extremely predatory.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wells Fargo made a lot of money on ‘Sort Order Optimization’

Say you have $100 in your bank account. You buy a candy bar for $2 from a vending machine, a coke for another $2, fill up $20 worth of gas, and then spend $100 on groceries. You’d think one overdraft charge, for the groceries, right?

Nope. The groceries will be taken out first, then the gas, then the candy bar and coke. Three overdraft charges.

It’s expensive being poor - and they knew that:

“Given our dependence on a small set of OD consumers (4% generate 40% of total OD/NSF revenue),” Zimmerman wrote, “a small change in behavior within this group can cause a large change in revenue.”

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And is now illegal, thankfully.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

For the next couple weeks, I'm sure. The financials are watching all the axes being taken to regulation in the industrial sector and I'm sure they're gonna want in on that scene at some point.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope you are with a local or regional credit union now.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yep! I actually closed my account pretty much immediately afterwards, and went with a local credit union which has been consistently great! They gave me a really good rate when I needed a car loan, have floated me if I was a little short before my direct deposit came in…

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Glad to hear it. This is one of the best "small things" you can help people with, in my opinion. BofA is so predatory. I switched to a credit union here in Seattle from them years ago. It was literally the first time I actually earned money in savings rather than it be melted away by fees.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

I used to be a contractor and was sometimes bad at processing timesheets and invoices.

I had one occasion where I had (numbers made up because it was ages ago) £100 in the business bank account with no overdraft facility when a £150 payment went out.

The payment went out putting me overdrawn. They waited a day before deciding that I wasn’t allowed an overdraft and putting the money back.

During that 24 hour period a payment for £25 was processed and blocked because I was overdrawn.

They then charged me two fees for refusing the payments even though I had money for the second one in the bank.

I switched banks right after that.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Cox is fucking scum.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

"I have instructed my staff to handle your information request, you have been charged a 'contact information handling' fee of 50 dollars"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Is the name intended as pure irony?

AFAF.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Time to cancel cox. 👍

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That text looks like a scam

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As does the end of our conversation.

Fuck Cox.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Cox is really living up to their namesake of being a bunch of dicks.

You are also getting Max subscription plan with this, This will completely boost up your internet speed and you will be amazed by the higher speed and smooth service.

Oh, so smooth. Doubling that arbitrary throughout limit will obviously improve latency and jitter. I always have my network fully saturated all day, every day /s

Everything will be super fast and when you stream or browse there will be no buffering or interruptions and you will have a great experience

Yes, because buffering is caused by your inability to download 62 more megabytes of video a second. It's totally not because the server isn't sending video fast enough or anything. Fucking slimeball.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m not even getting the 500 I’m paying for already!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I would say it's worth a complaint that you're barely getting a tenth of the speed you're paying for, but with cable/broadband, there's a million and one potential causes for throughput being degraded and Cox customer support is useless.

Is the node saturated? Is there a coaxial splitter in your wall blocking high-frequency signals? Is the run from the node to your house too long or noisy? What about the run from your house to the DOCSIS modem? Is there interference somewhere? Are there coaxial ports unnecessarily connected and degrading the signal? Did they just bond the minimum number of channels to reach the theoretical maximum of 500 Mbps under perfect conditions?

Who knows! Cox doesn't know, and Cox doesn't care. But hey, maybe you can be tricked into spending another $20 for even more unfulfilled promises!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Literally every cable company is a scam.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It's been a bait-and-switch ever since it stopped being "Community Antenna TV" and they started showing ads on non-OTA channels.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm a Cox customer only because I have no better options.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is by design. It's called a mini-monopoly and our government should have put a stop to is 50 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I suppose with Cox we could be talking about TV or Internet. If it's Internet I've heard it called a duopoly. The cable TV company and phone company both had wires running to every house when the internet showed up on the scene. Typically these are the only two options available in an area, and when you zoom in further usually one of them has given up on a particular street or neighborhood, and you better just go with the one that has decent wires.

We sort of had protections in place at the phone company level for a while to stop this. ILEC and CLEC laws forced Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers (the big phone co in the area, owns the lines on the poles) to share their last mile phone lines with a Competitive LEC, granted the CLEC shells up for their own equipment and puts it in a special section of the ILECs central offices. Bam, competition.

The problem is that the laws only specified copper, so when fiber rolled around, ILECs specifically targeted their upgrades to cripple the competition. The houses still would do DSL on copper, but the backhaul for the CO would get upgraded to fiber and the competition would have to also upgrade their handoff on their equipment to be fiber or just lose all their customers in the area. They would also set up fiber fed cabinets halfway closer to your house and offer VDSL. CLECs weren't allowed in those cabinets and could only offer 1/5th the speed on regular old ADSL due to distance. There were a lot of dirty tricks...the laws that were supposed to help just let the big company absolutely batter the smaller ones once they started their fiber upgrades.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Yeah that checks out. I've found out about this in a doubly infuriating scenario.

I was home abroad on a holiday, and they billed me for my regular monthly service. So naturally, i got slapped with the 25$ rejection fee, and then my bank decided to pay the overdraft on the second attempt, resulting in another 45$ in bank fees for that too.

Everything in the US is purposefully designed to fuck you over.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Same for Verizon. Or if your bank account doesn’t have enough funds. Or even if it does, and your bank says the transaction never happened, as long as Verizon says it happened, they charge you a fee.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

My landlord charged me $250 for replacement of the original shower head through an "expert" (i used my own and didn't fasten the hose enough at the end). 😢

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