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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 84 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you have an infinite amount of monkeys and they're all typing truly randomly, then an infinite number of them would get it correct on the first try. Which is sort of weird to think about lol.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Most people don't get the thought experiment at all.

I've seen 300+ deep comment chains on reddit with people arguing bitterly back and forth if a monkey could even operate a typewriter, and how it's absolutely impossible to get monkeys to type out a book, etc, etc, etc.

I hate it here.

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think too many people don't consider the monkey is not supposed to be making decisions, it's just supposed to be inputting anything, literally anything, on a typewriter.

Like a random value generator, for typewriter keys.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You could get the same result throwing an infinite number of typewriters down an infinitely long mineshaft, but there will be even fewer people who would understand it 😭

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Worse, creationists use the "watch maker's paradox" as evidence of creation. Same idea but watch parts in a washing machine.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have argued with plenty of theists, they tend to cherry-pick parts of every idea to validate their extreme fear of death/God, so they hyper-fixate on the idea that "fantastic things" can happen with infinities, without addressing the problems that also come from infinities.

The idea behind the monkeys/typewriters thought experiment is to highlight just how problematic actual infinities would be in our universe, it's an argument against things like gods occuring, because in an infinite, unbounded universe there would be an infinite number of infinitely powerful beings negating each other all out over large enough scales.

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[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I mean, if they are actually monkeys who don't know to type, some of them will still press keys once or twice. And if there's infinite monkeys, they will still type it out.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you're talking magical, biologically accurate monkeys, then they will eventually shit out models of every scene of your life, replicated in perfect detail in monkey feces. Not just once, but an infinite number of times, and also in every possible configuration your life may have ever existed in, every choice you could have made. An infinite number of times.

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[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hell, if you have infinite time and infinite typewriters, you don't even need the monkeys. You could probably depend on hail pressing those keys, the argument still stands. As long as there are inputs, ever.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Given long enough periods of time, if your typewriters were magically immune to entropy, they would eventually start quantum teleporting into each other, and eventually would accidentally create perfect clockwork mecha-godzilla made entirely out of typewriters.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The funny thing is, if you truly have infinite monkeys, it doesn't matter if they're using it correctly or not. There is an infinite amount of them.

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Some infinities are bigger than others, though.

Even if you have countably infinite monkeys typing countably infinite strings for an infinite period of time, there will be an infinite number of strings that the monkeys haven't typed, that will never be in the set of completed typed strings.

Cantor's diagonalization proves it.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

This is why I go online.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm starting a 2nd order monkey typing business attempting to use a bigger infinity of monkeys to eventually recreate the works of the first set of infinite monkeys.

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago

Since monkeys tend to hit the same keys repeatedly, rather than trying them all out at random, I'd say your second order monkey business is actually more likely to succeed than the first set of monkeys ever typing out Shakespeare is.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I grew up with the guy in the pic btw. He was always kinda intense.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Did he have a loicense for his screaming?

[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As an IT guy, there will always be a special place in my heart for the awesome person who wrote a protocol suite for this use case (it is a lot of fun to read):

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2795.txt

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There are quite a few April Fool RFCs, but this one is definitely one of my favourites. This one and RFC 1149 (A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers).

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure 1149 did actually beat Australian internet in large file transfer speed in a real test.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

As the old saying goes, never underestimate the bandwidth of a ~~truck full of hard drives barreling down the highway~~ migrating pigeons with a SSD in claw.

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[–] te_abstract_art@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I have an infinite number of rooms, so I'm putting two monkeys in each room with two typewriters.

Now I can do it in half the time.

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Two new monkeys show up, and even though the infinite rooms and infinite typewriters are already occupied, you can make room for them by making all of the monkeys move over one room, and putting the new monkeys in that newly vacant room with the newly available typewriters.

[–] reptar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Omg I just read about that the other day but I'm too stupid and forgetful... Something about the existence of inf + 1

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but since an infinite number of monkeys are working on it already, it will be just one copy for each of the infinite number of monkeys.

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[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

892 trillion years sounds like a minuscule amount of time to wait for a string that long.

Like you already got unbelievably lucky.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

But arent there infinite monkeys? You should have already seen it written an infinite amount of times in 892 trillion years

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 months ago

As written this guy only has one monkey.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

Perhaps it's in the monkey's psychology that they'd never hit the keys that much before just destroying it all. They're a pretty poor pick for a random value generator.

[–] kholby@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Not necessarily. There are an infinite number of positive numbers, but -13 will never be one of them. Ergo, even with infinite possibilities, you still may not see a particular combination (even if it does fit the criteria; my metaphor is imperfect).

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

We are the monkeys.

We wrote it all.

Even Skibidi toilet.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That which we call a gyatt by any other name would skibidi rizz just AF. No cap.

[–] BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] TwigletSparkle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We all evolved from monkeys, there have been millions of us, and one of us already wrote the works of Shakespear

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

We are evolved from a common ancestor to all great apes.

A great ape is not a monkey.

Don’t belittle your heritage or I’ll be forced to resolve this like our ancestors, by slinging feces at you until you leave.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Is that an actual sentence?

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