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Florida universities partnering with ICE on immigration enforcement (www.cbsnews.com)

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The University of Florida has joined the list of higher education institutions in that state partnering with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to carry out immigration enforcement on campus, officials told CBS News on Saturday.

"We can confirm that we have signed the 287(g) agreement," a University of Florida spokesperson told CBS News. The agreement, which Gov. Ron DeSantis issued in February, allows law enforcement to act as immigration officers.

It was not immediately clear who at the University of Florida would act as immigration officers under this agreement and the school's spokesperson did not provide additional comment. They did, however, confirm that eight students have had their visas revoked.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 81 points 10 months ago (2 children)

ummm, you don't find illegal immigrants in universities, they are revoking valid visas of people the state doesn't like anymore, probably for having opinions

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

While probably true, I can guarantee you can find people violating their visas on university campuses. Usually by working a job outside the restrictions imposed by their student visa. You also get people whose visas have expired hanging out on campus.

Are these people ICE should be targeting? No. But technically they’re currently in the country illegally.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com -5 points 10 months ago

Plenty of people at universities never had a visa in the first place.

https://www.thedream.us/news/new-survey-of-dreamer-college-graduates-highlights-importance-of-daca-on-social-mobility-and-workforce-contributions/

[+] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com -11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You definitely do find undocumented students at universities. There's a whole name for them and legislation that has attempted to protect them.

Visa revocation is also a thing they are doing though.

https://www.thedream.us/news/new-survey-of-dreamer-college-graduates-highlights-importance-of-daca-on-social-mobility-and-workforce-contributions/

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

DACA isn't "undocumented".

You do know what "documented" means, right?

Edit: Just to clarify, "Dreamers" arrive in the US as undocumented when their parents bring them here. They become documented when they enroll in DACA. Documentation ≠ citizenship.

[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They don’t know how the fuck to read so of course they fucking don’t. Treat every fucking person like that as if they are too stupid to chew food without being told by their king orange turd how to do it.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I truly do not understand the hostility here. It's important that people understand that there are undocumented students on college campuses and that this legislation, like basically all legislation from this administration poses real harm to them. Please see the content of this comment I put elsewhere in this thread:

Dreamers is one of the names for undocumented people. DACA is legislation that's been implemented to protect some of them. Did you even bother reading anything in the above link above? Here's a direct quote: While there are over 408,000 undocumented students currently enrolled in postsecondary education, less than half (181,000) are DACA-eligible

DACA was implemented because dreamers were going to school already, it's not HOW they go school.

DACA also does not make someone "documented". It is a weird loophole, but their immigration status is still technically undocumented despite them being able to work and go to school. Basically the government promises not to do anything about them for a bit. They have to keep renewing that promise. It's not like a normal visa. The government is not actually giving them a "right" to stay.

See here: "DACA/DACA-mented Students who are DACA recipients (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals), also known as “DACA-mented” students, are still considered undocumented students even though they may have a social security number and/or an Employment Authorization Card. DACA students should follow the same steps as an undocumented student when applying to SOU. A copy of your Employment Authorization Card is not required for admission processing."

And

"Some undocumented students may be part of DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) while others are not." https://sou.edu/admissions/apply/uid/

"Deferred action is an exercise of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status." https://www.uscis.gov/DACA

I am quite familiar with this particular status. It seems like everybody else is going off of vibes, and not even bothering to take two seconds to google this. Are you familiar with the definition of documented/undocumented? It's not as simple as the way it's used in general conversation.

Undocumented students can and do go to college. Some of them are eligible for DACA. DACA does not make you documented.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I truly do not understand the hostility here...

people are pissed off at our system and redirecting it at each other is the defining characteristic of the culture wars.

that anger would be better placed at the system; but we're too ignorant of it know how to use that anger effectively and willfully refuse to learn it.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's valid in theory, but I am literally just pointing out a fact. A fact which other people have gotten wrong and are actively spreading misinformation about. Misinformation that harms a minority and underprivileged population, which I'm assuming they care about. I feel like conceptually we should be on the same side, but they refused to even consider that someone else might be right so have just jumped to calling me illiterate apparently. I'm not saying that undocumented students should be deported or anything. I'm literally just advocating for them, because they exist, and it's important that people know that. Otherwise when the government is accused of departing them everyone will act like they don't exist and therefore can't be deported.

I am legitimately struggling to tell the difference between fascists and overzealous leftists who just don't know what they're talking about. It's a very bad position to be in. But, to your point, I guess either way I should give them grace, because obviously their issue is with the system and they are just mistakenly taking it out on me.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

advocating for them is always a good thing; my life has been heavily impacted by people like them and this is why i responded to your comment.

you're seeing for yourself how misinformation can be spread (assuming that you didn't already know) and, to drive this point home: leftists are called as such (outside the west) because they adhere to writings of people from the past that have analyzed, studied, and trial/errored on their strategies. the term leftists is co-opted heavily in the west and especially so in the united states; so when you encounter an "overzealous leftist" know that they're not ascribing that any of those texts because those texts advocate for that same grace that you're wondering if you should afford to them.

i think of them as left-maga since they know as much about leftism as trump's maga does about politics or history.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 2 points 10 months ago

It makes me so proud to see people talk about undocumented people positively, so thank you for sharing that (I'm assuming the impact they had was positive, apologies if that's not the case).

Yea, plenty of people have latched onto the general ideology without familiarizing themselves with either the fundamentals or modern praxis. I will wholly admit that I'm not extremely well versed, having only read the most pop-philosophy books/essays. I like to think I make up for it in praxis, but I know we're all works in progress and I could definitely still benefit from more reading/work. I think alienation has made actually connecting with the OG works harder, but hopefully both L and R magas and everyone in between gets a chance to find themselves in it. Thanks for the reminder.

[+] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com -8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Dreamers are undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, lived and attended school here, and identify as American.

https://www.presidentsalliance.org/breakdown-of-dreamer-with-and-without-daca/

What are you saying?

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm really just curious how undocumented immigrants enroll in universities. University of Florida was listed in OPs article. I am currently enrolled in a much smaller community college but I had to provide a lot of info on who I was and prove my citizenship and state residency. I assumed all colleges and universities do the same.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago

A lot of (if not most) allow you to apply without some of that information and I've seen specific workflows set up for undocumented students depending on the school. You can Google most of it, but here's one of the first results: https://www.bestcolleges.com/resources/undocumented-students/college-application-guide/

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Once again, perhaps you don't know what "documented" means.

They were undocumented when their parents brought them here. They became documented when they enrolled in DACA. That's how documentation works.

You seem to be equating "documentation" with "citizenship"

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

DACA was implemented because dreamers were going to school already, it's not HOW they go school.

And

"Some undocumented students may be part of DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) while others are not." https://sou.edu/admissions/apply/uid/

Undocumented students can and do go to college. Some of them are eligible for DACA. DACA does not make you documented.

Sometimes I can't tell if I'm arguing with fascists who are attempting to waste my time, or people who are so incapable or uninterested in the conversation they don't even bother to read the links I readily provided, but for some reason are willing to respond multiple times. Please let me know which you are, so I know if I should even bother with the rest of this conversation.

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe Florida will one day drop off into the Atlantic like the hanging turd of America it is.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Obligatory:

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Ummmm, this cartoon is out of date. Still says Gulf of Mexico. /s

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

lol, nice

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure threatening current and prospective students will help with declining enrolments.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

More retards for the Republican voting base.

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 11 points 10 months ago

Florida is scum, ICE is scum, they are bff

[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

No fucking shit WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE SUPPORTING FLORIDA?

From AOC going on vacation there during Covid to woke retards going to school there despite EVERYTHING FLORIDA DOES TO PEOPLE…

With friends like you all who the fuck needs enemies? Y’all are going to be the people telling everyone else to get on the trains because it’s easier and not that bad.

If you vacation to Florida, yes even Disney, if you SPEND ANY FUCKING MONEY IN THAT FASCIST STATE, blame your fucking selves!

I’m so sick of this idiotic shit from at least half of my country. My own family members who are gay went to Florida for vacation. I’m surrounded by fucking idiots who deserve the fate they get.

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

At least it is good to know which institutions were only pretending to be progressive