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As of last night, Someone Went Android-free and Google-free. (lemmy.ca)
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[โ€“] warmaster@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For anyone considering it, I find this information particularly noteworthy:

Price and availability Price: โ‚ฌ299 (including Finland VAT 25.5%), with your local VAT applied at checkout.

Additional information

Your purchase includes a 12-month Sailfish OS full license subscription valued at โ‚ฌ59.88 (โ‚ฌ4.99/month), granting access to all releases, commercial components, and feature upgrades. After the first year, you can choose to continue your subscription and support Sailfish OS development further. Even without renewal, your device will continue to function, but future software updates and commercial component upgrades will not be available.

Source: https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-community-phone

[โ€“] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 132 points 4 days ago (6 children)

So the OS requires a subscription to get security updates. That's no fun

[โ€“] natecox@programming.dev 69 points 4 days ago

And thatโ€™s the story of how I decided against Sailfish.

[โ€“] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 4 days ago (2 children)

but it's easy to calculate and compare with other offers. it does not stop working without subscription, which is the case with many other subscription models. actually I think it's reasonable, as it also provides an incentive to continue supporting old models to the company and properly reflects the economic facts surrounding the product.

like, if you buy Samsung or whatever, this cost is also part of the price. if you lose or brick your phone, you still paid for updates you'll never have the chance to install.

but of course it's important info one should be aware of when buying this phone

[โ€“] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For the last year I've used a Moto G Play. Purchase price was $70. No subscription fees and I put it on provider I want. I realized I was overcomplicating phones a a few years back. I used to have a flagship phone every 2-3 years. Eventually I realized I'm not doing anything on it that requires more. A 50 megapixel camera is more than I need. ive tried mobile gaming but it isn't for me, and I even still never had issues running things like Lords Mobile or what not. What are we doing that requires more than texting, video, Bluetooth, cameras and a flashlight?

[โ€“] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

that's perfectly fine of course, and I did not evaluate OPs phone, the price or anything beyond the subscription model as such.

actually makes me reconsider my phone choices... I'm currently on pixel, but hardly use any features besides 'good camera' and a bunch of apps that might require Google (banking mainly)

[โ€“] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I went from a pixel 5 to this, an learned a 3 Sec and wait time is nothing. I can't do anything on this phone you can do, but load a video game slower. I don't know a single game worth playing on a phone. And I'm a IT geek. My battery lasts 1.5,x as long, because my CPU/,GPU doesnt eat it

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[โ€“] x00z@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I read that a lot of people just buy 1 month every few months to get updates.

[โ€“] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd not be surprised if they stopped allowing this, as it clearly is a loophole.... guess it depends on how many people do this.

[โ€“] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

in what way is it a loophole? that is how All subscriptions should be treated when there are no fees for starting the subscription (car insurance comes to mind).

[โ€“] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

maybe I'm just used to the practices in my field if business. if you don't pay for your enterprise firewall support, and then want to update, you'd have to back pay the missed months at least...

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[โ€“] rimu@piefed.social 32 points 4 days ago

Most of the cheap Androids I've had got maybe 1 free update and then nothing ever again. Even if I wanted to pay.

[โ€“] SrMono@feddit.org 16 points 4 days ago

Might be a case of bad wording, as far as I know they are obliged to provide 5 years of updates (if they want to sell in EU).

[โ€“] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can you just buy a single month, get updates, then leave it be another year? Not sure the contract allows single months.

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[โ€“] aregularbeaneater@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Is it just me or is that camera on crooked

[โ€“] Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

The nested comment above yours was how this company has pasted fake cameras to the back of their phones ๐Ÿ˜…

[โ€“] whyalone@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago

I watched a review on youtube, basically the phone is great for enthusiasts, nothing more, it is overall slow and you have to disable android apps , wifi and bluetooth to have a 0,6% / hour standby battery drain. Celluar and bluetooth is not stable while using android apps.

[โ€“] BeliefPropagator@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Your purchase includes a 12-month Sailfish OS full license subscription

Didn't expect a Linux phone to be the first subscription based OS. Makes for a total cost of ownership of ~600โ‚ฌ if you keep the device for 5 years. (299+4.99ร—12ร—5)

[โ€“] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago

I donโ€™t mind paying because it costs money to hire developers to write the code. You can use Postmarket OS, Ubuntu Touch and Mobian instead.

The real criticism is that the user interface isnโ€™t open-source.

[โ€“] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Who manufactures these, out of curiosity?

[โ€“] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Looks like a company called Reeder from Turkey. The Sailfish OS is from Finland.

[โ€“] mortalglowworm@reddthat.com 27 points 4 days ago

Reeder is not known for their quality. Or for their truthfulness, for that matter.

A couple years back Reeder has caught red handed with fake cameras (3 "cameras" on the back, but actually only one camera inside) on devices. They have first rejected it, then scrubbed their marketing collateral about it being a three-camera phone.

Most of Turkish cell producers sell shit stuff.

[โ€“] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Have fun!

Have you tried Whisperfish, the unofficial Signal client? I'm curious how good it is nowadays. Back when I tried it, I believe voice and video calls either weren't implemented or broken.

Please report on what the 2025 Sailfish experience is like.

[โ€“] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the very page you've linked to lists what features are and aren't implemented

[โ€“] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

Ah thanks, I overlooked that. I'd still like to hear though what the actual UX is like nowadays.

[โ€“] crt0o@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Just wondering, why wouldn't you want to run Android? AOSP is fully open source, google free, and runs on linux anyways, these other OSs are just bound to be buggier...

[โ€“] pathief@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

As far as I know, AOSP is largely maintained by Google. Without the Google Play Services you lose key functionalities such as notification service or the ability to use home banking apps.

While alternative play services such as microG exist, in my personal experience they are buggy as hell. My banking apps continued not to work and notifications were often delayed by several hours.

I'd love a real opensource linux alternative driven by the community without a big tech dictating what goes in or not. We're not there yet but it's cool to see people trying.

[โ€“] PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

Will online banking services work on whatever OS this device in the OP uses? It seems pretty unlikely.

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[โ€“] fxdave@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

AOSP is a huge set of unknown. Despite it's Linux, it's not like my Arch where I can contribute to the OS. There are arbitrary security measures against the user protecting the device maker, not the user. Where's my sudo command, where's my terminal?

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[โ€“] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Jolla is still around? Still awaiting my jolla tablet.

[โ€“] filtoid@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I got stung in the same crowd funding disaster. In the wake if it I moved away from using sailfish as a daily driver but I've just bought one of these (in pic from OP) and it's really nice. I'm away at the minute but when I get back I'll be using it as a daily, with an android phone as a WiFi tablet for banking and the stuff that needs a "real" android device*.

*I.e doesn't run on the android emulator that comes built in.

[โ€“] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 days ago

I was one of lucky few that got half of my pledge returned, but two weeks later they reversed it.

[โ€“] krimson@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Sooo, how is it? Does everything work? Do you like it?

[โ€“] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've really been thinking of one of these.

[โ€“] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sailfish has the best user interface out of all the mobile distros imo.

[โ€“] devfuuu@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

my first smartphone was the original Jolla. It was a huge dissapointement in UX for me when I retired that phone and got a common android one afterwards. Dearly miss it still.

[โ€“] MITM0@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Sailfish OS ? Let me know how the User-Experience (AKA "UX") is

[โ€“] SeekPie@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago

So how's it been?

[โ€“] boreengreen@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago

I kind of want one. I don't need it. But i kinda want it.

[โ€“] ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I congratulate you.

[โ€“] Ra1nmak3r91@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Does anybody know if these things will work in the states with a carrier like t-mobile? Obviously you still have to get it here but I'm trying to look past that stuff.

[โ€“] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago

I did some quick skimming on the state of Sailfish US connectivity in early 2024.

5G support will not work on 10III for T-Mobile. 10III 5g bands: n1, n3, n7, n8, n28, n77, n78 T-Mobile USA 5g bands: n41, n258, n260, n261, n71

however, 10 V adds the band n41, so we will EVENTUALLY get SOME 5G coverage

Xperia 10 ii on US Mobile or other T-Mobile MVNO is your best bet.

Thread on the topic

[โ€“] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Didn't Jolla locked their phone's bootloader?, and you have to pay them if you forgot your password and need to factory reset?

[โ€“] macros@feddit.org 10 points 4 days ago

Um no? And why the Upvotes?

Yes, Jolla didlock the bootloader by default. Why? To prevent an attacker from circumventing the lockcode.

Did they do it to take away freedom from users? No. You can unlock it yourself at any time, of couse you need to unlock your phone for that.

Do they make you pay for it? No they even provide instructions for unlocking!

[โ€“] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 days ago

subscribed

[โ€“] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What brand? I can see all the letters but none of them mean anything to me.

Regardless, congrats! Good call.

[โ€“] oldfart@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

JOLLA

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