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Developer of 'non-consensual sex' game withdraws it from Steam after bans in the UK, Canada, and Australia (www.pcgamer.com)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Obviously I disagree with the content. But this just reminds me of the whole "hatred" debacle. the game probably sucks (like hatred did), and its content was very taboo but honestly if some sicko wants to "enjoy" these games i dont think they should be censored. I really hate the idea of people not liking something and it being scrubbed from the internet.

Like if I decided to make a oligarch assassination game with popular figgures as targets. id expect a strong reaction but pulling it from public availability is just plain stupid. And id expect most of the people who think that non-consentual game should be removed would advocate for the murder simulators right to exist. We cant just pick and choose what to censor imo its gotta be all or nothing.

Again, dont care about these games in particular. just playing devils advocate.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I really hate the idea of people not liking something and it being scrubbed from the internet.

It's not, the devs themselves took it off Steam (and honestly I would have thought Valve might have removed it eventually). But it's not like the devs disappeared from the internet, searching around I saw they still sell the game on at least one game platform outside of Steam. And those same devs could choose to sell it directly themselves if they wanted, to say they've been scrubbed from the internet is a bit of a stretch.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Agreed, but i was just speaking in general after mentioning specific examples. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

But to build on your point, You could make the argument that anything that has been uploaded to the internet cannot be scrubbed. most normal people use the internet completely differently than we do. Removing something from Steam, or Epic for most normal people its gone forever. I know for example my parents would never be able to find a movie/show again if its removed from Netflix or HBO.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's an interesting debate. One that I will not touch with ten foot pole because I do not have the knowledge to say which is right, but it's interesting.

Is it better for people with these uh, interests, to have artificial content if it satisfies their needs? As in, for non consensual the vast majority of people would think it's revolting, and that it should go. We want no part of it in society. But here's the rub. What if the alternative is actually committing the crime? By offering an alternative that is morally questionable could it reduce the actual crime from happening?

Same thing with AI generated CSAM. utterly revolting. Think it should be purged. But, some psychologists argue that it would satisfy the desires of some of them, and it could reduce actual children from being harmed. Some say it could make the urge worse but some say it could prevent the real thing from happening

I don't have the training or knowledge to say this or that, but it's interesting

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I agree, but the issue is that theres already so much taboo content out there ready for the public to "enjoy". Alot of modern crime content heavily idolizes and even sexualizes actual muderers and r*pists. Game of thrones has incest and child murder in the first episode (i almoat dropped the show based on this alone). The dahmer tv show was outright denounced by the victims and yet still many people "enjoyed" the non-consentual actions of a disgusting man. I agree with censorship when real people are being exploited or hurt. Thats a no brainer. But where do we draw the line? The original ben-hur movie has a actor die gruesomely on film. Do we censor that? Bottom line, humans are gross. I think its best if we just look away from whatever theyre doing in the dark corners of their minds. (assuming they arent hurting anyone mentally or physically)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think the line would be real life figures. That would violate actual laws.

But yeah, there shouldn’t be morality police.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Law enforcement needs to keep tabs on this dev. He will probably have someone in his dungeon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Good. What a disgusting "game".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

No Mercy included "incest," "blackmail," and "unavoidable non-consensual sex," according to its Steam page, which also promised players the opportunity to become "every woman's worst nightmare" and "never take 'no' for an answer."

This doesn't bode well for Pale Carnations making it onto Steam.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Good. Honestly most games in the sex space are pretty bad for both consent and treating the characters like actual people.

The dialogue is pretty unrealistic too.

The only good one we have come across so far is Cute Demon Crashers. It is heavily about consent and the writing isn't that bad either. True, it's not going to be 'realistic' in terms of character models nor have fully fleshed out sex scenes but since most in that genre seem to be terrible in general perhaps that is a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are you good with the games that involve killing other people against their consent?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I can do them, but honestly I would prefer to have played through many without such a mainstay of games. It just often gets in the way of what I am really there for: the story. Plus it's becoming more and more gruesome.

I think though killing and rape are not exactly the same. Women are historically treated very poorly in game spaces, both in games and outside of them. This kind of thing just adds to it and honestly makes me question what the developers are really like.

As someone else said "check whether there are women in the developer's dungeon".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I'm not sure I'd wonder any more about those developers than anyone else.

Without getting into TMI I very much enjoy non consent fantasy to the point where I had a CNC relationship with my wife for the first five years. And two things I've learned about myself are: I'm not physically capable of even play rape, and that having the power was much more fun and exciting than exercising the power.

So to me it feels perfectly normal to be aroused by fantasy rape but not at all by the manifestation of it. I'm sure it's not mainstream or anything, and there are a lot of people out there, like Andrew Tate, who are exactly what they say they are.

I think it's fine to look into it and see which is the case, but I personally wouldn't expect to find any girls in basements who aren't there consensually based on the content of their games.