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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm cool with that, but folks should also remember this:

 

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

yeah I'm forever voting blue no matter who. The republican candidate will always be a fascist. It will never end with Trump. It's going to be fascist vs not fascist blue vote and I will eat whatever shit the blue vote shits out. More cops? I'm all for it, not a fascist dictator. Support Israel? Fine with me, not a fascist dictator. It sucks but that's just America now for the next thousand or so years, fascism or something else. Better hope the something else isn't closer to fascism than before or else you're fucked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Consider that endorsing an awful candidate in Biden will help get Trump elected.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How the hell did you come to that idiotic conclusion?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. You dont even like your candidate, why should i come to your side instead of you come to mine?
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because one stands a chance of winning, the other does not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

whichever side we support stands a chance of winning. They aint gonna compete in a game of skill in November, they're gonna ask us who wins and we decide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, "we", consisting of statistically significant factions of the voting population. Campaigns take time and money, neither of which any candidates besides the two front-runners have enough of to be competitive. They're not gonna ask you who wins, you don't decide. I don't see 70 million Americans shifting to anyone else at this stage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

you've got a paradox going where me supporting a better candidate is pointless because my vote is worth nothing and I cant change anything.

but also that I have to support your candidate because my vote matters if its for them.

my vote matters and I'm giving it to a better candidate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Don't forget that it's not ok to vote for your candidate because they don't already have enough support, therefore there's no way to ever reach the threshold where it'll be ok to vote for them.

It's only ok to vote for the neolibs that the billionaires approve after a promise that nothing's really going to change.

Even in a state that's so blue the Dems have no chance of losing, voting for or writing in someone left of the incumbent will still be deemed a vote for the red team.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The glory of a two parties system. The liberals even call this democracy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

as long as you still vote for biden. hold your nose if you must. i know i will be...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but if you can and don’t vote for Biden it means you’re at least ok with Trump.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, it means I'm not ok with genocide but you are.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You have two options:

  • Ok with genocide. Otherwise relatively progressive. Has passed major important legislation.
  • Ok with genocide. Wants to be a dictator. Appointed half of the Supreme Court majority that took away women’s right to abortion. Will probably strip more rights if elected. Cut taxes on the wealthy and will probably do it again.

You can throw away your vote, but come inauguration, you will have a president who is ok with genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But I will not have voted for one of them. But you will have and the blood will be on your hands.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not voting is a vote for Trump.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That’s not logical. So, if my choices are pizza or nuggies, and I choose neither. Then I chose nuggies? Make it make sense.

I may be intermittent fasting to lose weight, or rejecting imperialist capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

A tribe holds a vote to either cross a bridge to side A or stay on side B. Staying on side A means you won't have much food. Going to side B means you still won't have much food, but also most of the food is poisonous.

Part of the tribe (Group C) says "I don't want to starve, I refuse to vote in a way that accepts malnourishment as a solution!" Group C also opposes eating poisonous food. This partial group votes to try and find a better source of food (option C).

48% of people vote A. 49% of people vote B. 3% of people vote C.

Surprise, surprise, Group C had 0 impact on the starving situation AND helped facilitate the eating of poisonous food.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Seems like more from the other Groups should have voted with C, or C shouldn’t have been given the option to find a better source for food.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I agree with you. If we could get the entirety of the democratic party to vote green/left, that would be super helpful. We both know that's not happening in America because of the broken electoral and political system. If we could suppress option C, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all, but there would surely be other complaints to be had regarding that matter.

In the end, the Group C votes are equivalent to not voting, which translates to having 0 impact on the outcome of vote. This exemplifies complicity with either option A or B.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

Group C is not complicit for being honest.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Ok but what no leftie has yet explained is who has asked them to like Biden? Probably nobody who votes for Biden last time or this time around thinks he’s “teh awesome”, we’re simply grown ups who are able to tell which is the least bad option. Honestly lefties (if they aren’t just groipers posing as lefties) who think it’s a hot take to say Biden isn’t the optimal person to be President are all suffering from Captain Obvious syndrome while thinking they’re the cleverest people ever. It’s cringe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nother reminder: not voting for biden isvoting for trump regardless if you support either of them

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

Well I'm not voting for Trump so I guess, by your logic, that means I'm voting for Biden. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago

Another genocide supporter. Got it.