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[–] ech@lemm.ee 46 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Had to look this up cause that's cool - Tolkein worked in etymology of words in the range of Waggle-Warlock, so arguably not much work with the front of the alphabet.

Also - dwarfopodes.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 10 months ago

He should have referred them to the definition of “Wanker” then.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 10 months ago

dwari.

your move.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 42 points 10 months ago (3 children)

"Dwarfs" is for humans with dwarfism, "dwarves" is for the fantasy race.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That might be the trend now, but the common plural before Tolkien was "dwarfs" for the mythical creature.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 19 points 10 months ago

Yes, but thanks to him, it now isn't.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

I can only speak for myself, but if I were a person with dwarfism, I think I would insist on "dwarves". Lean really hard into the fantasy angle.

[–] Birch@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What about celestial bodies? Is it red dwarfs or red dwarves?

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Red dwarfs.

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I recall reading that he later said he wished he had gone with dwarrow since it's an older root word.

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He could have just written a story about how a wizard changed the word.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago

Discworld explanation for anything unexplainable: 'Wizard did it"

[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] LorIps@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Ooh, crimes against the hobbit are even nore heinous though!

[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Tolkien worked on part of the dictionary. I think he was assigned the letter W, so dwarf would not have been in his range. But he would not have defined the plural as dwarves anyway. He deliberately chose it differently for his fantasy creatures. Great flex, I wonder what the immediate reaction of the publisher was to that quote.

[–] thepineapplejumped@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In the preface of my edition of the Hobbit, there is an indirect reference made to this where Christopher Tolkien mentioned how the correct spelling is dwarfs and not dwarves.

Nice to know where it came from!