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Pictured: Outlier (155 IQ, 1650 testosterone ng/dl) carries control (110 IQ, 800 testosterone ng/dl).

Submitted as comment to "What must his life be like?" in [email protected], and felt that it justified a whole meme to tie it together.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Fun fact, the big guy carrying Malcolm McDowell is Dave Prowse, better known as Darth Vader.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago

Ohh. I thought it was Austin Powers and maybe both variables were self-reported.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I thought it was the guy from flight of the conchords

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thought so, too.

"That's why they're called business socks."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

From A Clockwork Orange for those who don't know.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

"Try the wine."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

The face of James Earl Jones! Jk, that is a fun fact I'm stealing for next time I watch a clockwork orange

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

That blew me away as a kid, realizing that the guy voicing Vader wasn't the one in the costume, and was in fact the same actor who played Thulsa Doom.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I was going to make that comment :-(

I said hello to him once.

[–] lena 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The brains will help, but you still have my support all the same, for what it's worth.

[–] lena 3 points 3 days ago

Certified gigachad

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I can't find a study that produced that result. Also a reverse image search only finds hits on meme sites and social media. Pressing X für doubt.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

A subset of the data seems to be readily available, if someone (with high or low T?) wants to swoop in and make us all a bit wiser:

https://dataverse.unc.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi%3A10.15139%2FS3%2FZYRZ5J

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My bet is that it's paywalled like a lot of academic studies. It's likely out there, but best of luck to you nailing it down, I've been having a Hell of a time turning up worthwhile results with search engines for quite a while.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Isn't the title of the study on the graph?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes, you might be surprised at how few meaningful results can be gleaned even when using exact titles in search queries. I'm not even talking about the ad results that appear at the top of the page now, even Google sometimes entirely fails to provide the desired results.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Haha I believe it. The internet was supposed to make sharing information easier. Womp

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Trying to get shit done on the 'net with a 56K modem circa 1995 vs. trying to get shit done one the 'net but everything has been purposely turned into garbage that generates ad revenue even if you pay for it circa 2025.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

It may be a figure that someone produced independently from the publicly available data sets: https://addhealth.cpc.unc.edu/data/#public-use

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

All hail Styropyro

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

TIL there's a negative correlation

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

In a single group of US school children from 1994, that are now adults

In all other populations I have seen, higher IQ is positively correlated with testosterone

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Group makes it seem like less than it actually is, but still fair.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Either my testosterone is high or low but doesn’t the chart above say it covers 16k men and is from 2018?
(I know it also says a longitudinal study, but I wouldn’t consider the inception to be the year the study is from.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

who the fuck is the outlier then

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

The teacher from 1994

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Unknown, but likely he's the human form of Larry the Lobster with a PhD hanging on his wall.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

He has a master's degree in chemical engineering and was awarded a Fulbright scholarship to MIT, where he dropped out to act.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Not just an action movie star, he's a smart cookie.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Good Lord, you know that you're a powerhouse of human vigour when even Montenegro takes notice and goes to the effort of granting you a war medal despite your enlistment in a foreign nation's army.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

I see. That's why my brain's so big.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The metaphor, as described in the caption, eludes me completely. Is it some sort of pun with the "carrying"? Why is the outlier carrying the control, and who benefits from it, how? Insider joke with just 1 insider?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, not quite. No one benefits, and it's not an inside joke. The analogy is that the gigantic bodybuilding nerd from Clockwork Orange is the outlier, and that the control is Alex. That's it.

When I saw the original graph, I tried to think of any examples of mega-guidos that were also geniuses and remembered the scene from the movie with Dave Prowse in this role. It seemed to fit well, so I made the meme.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Ah, got it. You had to watch Clockwork Orange to get it. Thanks for explanation!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Interesting data. I wonder what IQ test they used and mechanistically how testosterone would affect that (assuming that's a causal relationship in that direction)?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

high iq is correlated with autism, autism is correlated with being trans, QED

i'm only like 89% joking

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

My friend group confirms this

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Maybe the lower IQ students were more likely to go into physical labour jobs that boosted testosterone

Or high levels of heavy metal intake (zinc) boosted testosterone and dropped IQ

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

I assume higher testosterone level means you have less patience for bullshit quiz questions that probably have little to do with assessing intelligence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Soycucks rise up