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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Driving is the highest-risk activity that the average person engages in on the average day.

It's dangerous, stressful, time-consuming, and expensive. I also think it is a significant contributing factor to our sedentary lifestyles and expanding waistlines. I'm resentful that the decision to go with automobile-based infrastructure was decided before I was even born and that I've never had a viable opportunity to vote against it.

What I really hate is that driving is a privilege. But not needing to drive (i.e. walkability, bikeability, and good transit) are also privileges. Fucked either way it would seem.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

There never was a vote to make it legal or illegal. And it was widely hailed as a great idea at the time. It was considered the best way for large cities to dig out from under the literal mountains of horse shit they were drowning in and that was polluting the ground water and killing children and adults alike from disease. Plus it gave people far more freedom to move about faster and father than they had by foot, horse, or train. Like it or not, the internal combustion engine has given you, personally, everything good and bad that you have at this very moment in time.

But, like most great human ideas, there are always unintended consequences no one sees until they happen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Actually, there was a lot of push-back. People weren't too happy that suddenly great big hunks of metal were hurling through public spaces at lethal speeds -- but the car manufactures had money, so the press and the politicians sided with them.

check out Fighting Traffic: The Dawn of the Motor Age in the American City by Peter D. Norton

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I actually like driving for the most part, and I think that I'd like it even more if people who weren't forced to drive weren't driving, and if the people driving were well-trained and medically cleared as safe to drive.

If we had those things I could do a hundred miles an hour on the highway everywhere. It would be awesome.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think that I’d like it even more if people who weren’t forced to drive weren’t driving,

I actually don't mind driving so much as I mind driving in heavy traffic. Driving along on an empty road, or lighter traffic at least, isn't so bad.

But society pretty much forces everyone to drive. Even people who don't want to drive or are simply bad at it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Now imagine if everyone you met on those low-traffic days knew how to zipper merge, and were intimately familiar with the idea of "keep right, pass left." And their cars had to be maintained perfectly to even be on the road.

This training and maintenance is why some sections of the Autobahn have no speed limit.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 6 days ago (26 children)

Let's be real: they're terrified that they might be forced to be near poor people, minorities, gays, and mentally ill folk.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Bingo. I've talked to many of them online and it always boils down to this. It's never that they're actually in any danger. It's just they feel scared. They drive their big trucks because it makes them feel safe.

Meanwhile puny me rides the subway daily.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

They're weak, scared, and pathetic. Too xenophobic to interact with anyone or anything outside their coddled circles that might make them feel """uncomfortable""".

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Their “News ^tm^” is constantly telling them cities are hellholes full of junkies and murderers and murderous junkies.

Most of them have no clue how the world outside their pickup truck windows works.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

I've never almost died on a bus.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I'm terrified of riding the nyc subway because I don't understand how it works amd I'll get lost.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

its really well designed and easy. with a smartphone, navigating the city is so easy I think a 10yo could do it. that said, my parents might have trouble, but only cause they get freaked out.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I grew up on a farm, basically the rural part of a rural county in a rural state. When I visited San Diego I got on a bus going the wrong direction (which isn't a thing I even realized you could do wrong). Ended up having to wait an hour for another bus in a sketchy part of town, at night, while in cosplay.

Felt like that episode of SpongeBob where they get stuck at Rock Bottom.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I ride the subway all the time and haven’t been murdered yet. AMA

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (24 children)

but there's crazy people on the subway

You don't think there's crazy people on the highway? And on the highway they're controlling a 2 ton killing machine in a sometimes stressful situation.

I'll take the crazy guy yelling in the corner of the subway then see what he's like behind the wheel of one of those huge pickup trucks during traffic.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago

Conservative men are terrified of everything. Perpetual fear and petty grievances are the cornerstones of the entire conservative ethos.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I used to be a big fan of public transport, but after covid it went to shit in my country or rather, it went to shit in my part of the country. Pretty sure it is still great in Copenhagen. Those lucky bastards.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As an American who visited Copenhagen post-covid, the public transport is amazing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Right? Oh noooo I missed the metroooo. 🤭 2 minutes until the next one arrives?! Whatever will I doooo? 😜 And that is just the metro. Ignore the busses and trains which are also plenty and usually on time. Those lucky, lucky bastards.

Meanwhile in my neck of the woods: 💨

I could go into my public transportation horror stories, but I think it's better to conclude my comment with the fact that my boyfriend and I, who were both big fans of public transportation, ended up buying a car because we literally had no other choice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

my boyfriend and I, who were both big fans of public transportation, ended up buying a car because we literally had no other choice.

As a car guy, this breaks my heart. Because you probably bought something reasonable and practical and egg-shaped.

Nothing that stirs your passions. Nothing you look back on in the parking lot and think "I can't believe that's my car."

As someone who thinks cars can be an art form, forcing people who don't want cars to buy cars dilutes that art. Like making amazing designers make ads for bottled water or something.

Cars should be like horses are now: Beautiful and running in a field. Cared for as cherished pets. Not resigned to bumper-to-bumper traffic, waiting for someone who hates driving to attempt to merge with a "Please let me merge before I cry" bumper sticker, herding the semi who's just trying to do their job and not kill someone who should not be driving.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I'm more terrified of driving a car in a city than on a highway. In a city one small mistake can mean killing a child or something. On the highway I can go at a moderate speed in the right lane without distractions.

Either way I prefer rails tho

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Already afraid of this on an e bike.

Saw a mom walking on the road (next to a perfectly available sidewalk) with her small child following her 2 meters behind her.

Fucking hell if that kid randomly ran to my side, I would have hit her.

I hate this shit so much

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (9 children)

I'm kinda germaphobic, and they never seem to clean public transit. Chewed gum everywhere, littering, bodily fluids. Like I'm sure 99% of people are normal, but just 1% of dumbasses ruin it. NYC, Philly, I've seen it all. I heard people say other countries such as Japan has clean public transit, not sure why the US can't do the same... 🤔 (I bet the politicians stole all the funding)

My ideal transport would be getting launched out of a cannon, then I deploy a parachute after the GPS notifies me when I've arrived at the destination. Patachute deployed, I land on the roof, like a boss. 😎

Great for introverts too. 🫠

(So until public transit is fixed, I rather be fired... out of a cannon)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cleanliness depends a lot on culture

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Either way you risk a possibility of being rear-ended.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (14 children)

In America the metro is seen as where there are lots of poor people and drug addicts and the rich people tend to prefer to buy fancy cars and drive them.

It’s kind of the same logic as to why america is one of the few countries where the poor people tend to live in the city center, but the rich people out in the suburbs.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

People who don't live here think it's like The Warriors. They picture roving gangs of murderous criminals, live wires sparking everywhere, and insane people screaming Eldritch horrors. This is not accurate.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Okay, it's not that bad, but it's also not the kind and peaceful utopia people in this thread are trying to make it out to be.

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