Everyone can benefit from a therapist and everyone can benefit from a loving, caring partner.
Who knew?
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Everyone can benefit from a therapist and everyone can benefit from a loving, caring partner.
Who knew?
It definitely does not need to be one or the other. Oftentimes therapy could help in the relationship department considerably. Deep hurt is hard to get through alone, yet I hope more and more people understand there is help out there.
If relationships are a two way street, and one person is hurting enough to affect their role within it all there should be no shame in reaching out in that way. It could help a lot. It's a shame there's still so much stigma around therapy.
I dont think that stigma is going to get any better any time soon (at least in the US). The past year has given me significantly less trust that anything medical remains private; i have no trust that things said in confidence will not be weaponized against me by the current government. There have already been cases of states demanding medical records for pregnancy, abortion, and transgender records, and texas actually got their hands on some records IIRC.
Women: "I want a guy in touch with his feelings."
Men: "I want a woman I can share my feelings with."
Internet people: "Women aren't your mommy, go see a therapist with your dumb feelings."
Me, too moron to interact with human: "Hello kitty, wanna watch King Of the Hill again? Me too, I'll get the blanket."
Sorry, not sorry. If he begins this with "Men do not need a therapist." (And many men do) And then declare that the women men need be soft and caring while verbally presenting the man as a hero who fights his daily battles... that's just toxic bullshit as fuck.
I'm okay with somebody accepting and wanting traditional gender roles, everyone's got their own taste in potential partners and need to find the person right for them.
But declaring what "men" need and then demanding not only traditional but toxically overblown gender roles for everyone is just... BAH! And the disapproval for therapy, or telling "men" that they don't need therapy, only a mommy, when many of us do indeed need therapy... that's just indicative of the most bullshit incel-alpha-baby-needs-a-mommy mindset.
If you're a guy and in touch with your feelings (like me, for example), yes, lean on your partner if you need to and they are okay with it. If you are an emotional person, be emotional. But don't demand or expect to just be able to vomit your shit on your partner and they being okay with it and then cleaning the corner of your mouth with a tissue... Your partner is not free therapy, do not treat them like somebody providing a service.
The guy in the screenshot is not in touch with his feelings.
So, uh, if this is what men need at the end of the day, what does this guy think women need at the end of their day? Or is it only men "fighting battles" in their day-to-day lives? Because this surely implies that either men are needlessly making things harder for themselves if women somehow manage to avoid daily battles, or that women don't need comfort after their daily battles... and wouldn't that make men, who do need that help, the weaker sex?
See, youre actually missing one key component here. They dont think of women as people. Just baby machines made to please men.
It's true. As soon as I'm out of sight of my husband I dock like a Roomba and wait until he returns so I can wipe away his tears and give him a foot rub.
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Every woman I've ever dated has expected me to do what they call "being there for them" in what I can only assume to be situations similar to whatever he's hyperbolically referring to as "battles," and I was happy to, and they did the same for me which I appreciated. But maybe since it's just taken for granted that men do that for women (people itt seem not to realize being supportive is a bare minimum expectation for any partner), and according to the post it is mommy issues when a man wants it in return, it sounds to me like women are the weaker one.
Did I do the gender war right? Do we really have to "men bad women bad" wanting supportive partners ffs? This is why I don't talk to people anymore, cats are better.
I’m a man and I just need a big hairy and muscular chest to lay my head on the end of a very tough day.
I have no idea what this guy Alex is on about.
Life’s hard when your husband has a smooth chest 😔

He said a hairy and muscular chest! That chest is smooth!
I would say that, conditional to the man having a partner, intimacy is a hell of a lot more accessible than therapy. Provided that intimacy is not rationed or made conditional, this could provide more lasting and more timely healing than therapy as well.
With that said, we really need to normalize men seeking therapy. There are far too many men where the conditions above are not met, and so could and would benefit more from therapy than intimacy.
Uhm, having someone care for you is not a "pathological mother figure".
People need this. Men need this. Asking for care is the most normal thing a person can do.
And then if something is actually wrong, there is a therapist.
Going from "men need intimacy" to "manchild wants a mommy" is toxic masculinity on the second guy's part.
Ooo that's kind of a good point too.
It was definitely dunking for internet points.
it's insane how jreg (youtuber) gave me the most solid understanding of relationships that was so obvious that I couldn't believe we didn't understand already, it's a mixture of them all, it's not a partner or a good friend group or parents, it's to be able to have them all, a therapist can be a guiding figure a mentor and another node to release stress learn from mistakes and overall a decent person to be in contact with even if your thoughts were in control and you were in a good state of mind.
What a pleasant surprise among the defensive takes. Thank you for sharing it.
The most problematic situation seems to be when not having access to all of them and trying to push your partner into fulfilling all of these roles. To be your partner, parent and a friend(sometimes a therapist even). Sure it's nice of them if they can, but it shouldn't be their daily responsibility.
This is the best description of the issue I've seen.
We all need a caring person to nurture and restore our energy. This is a fundamental part of loving someone. Your parents do it when you're young but that does not mean you stop needing it.
Both of these posters are toxic in different ways.
Women aren't paid enough to be both your bangmaid and your therapist.
How about if you're their bangmaid and therapist right back? Sounds like a good deal to me
Freud would have a field day with this dude.
Indeed, from "nurture energy" to "mother figure" is a leap that warrants analysis. "Muse" would be a much closer semantic association.
Men can't have a desire for comfort and intimacy that isn't criticized and characterised as maternal? Same shit as calling male friendships gay. This is the left wing bully. Better with emotions yet use that as a weapon of coercion, no different than a fist. Both sides are filled with assholes.
I think a modern dysfunction of intergender relationship is an increase in transactional intimacy. Whether it's dating, sex, or emotional, I think a lot of men are paying for their intimacy.
I'm not positive you mean this, but you're implying men shouldn't pay for their intimacy? You think it should be free? Everyone pays, but in healthy relationship the "payment" is emotional intimacy, acts of service, words of affection etc. No one is walking up to a stranger and banging them without giving anything. Heck even in sex alone there's "transactions." During foreplay, I get you a little turned on, you get me a little turned on, I escalate, you escalate.
I mean literal payment, with money.
Ok let me go, men, stop fighting battles no one asked you to, your lame ass warrior complex undermines your potential for kindness.
I wouldn't recommend therapy unless you suffer from a debilitating mental disorder that is responsible for you not being able to participate in life in a meaningful way. Just my opinion.
I completely agree with you. I dunno who this alexnroberto guy is but based on a 2 second search, he comes off as one of those manosphere dudes so I guess we can assume that his comment isn't based on mutual support, but only the woman supporting the man. I disagree with that world view, but if the message stood alone, I don't see the issue in partners leaning on one another instead of going to therapy for every little thing that's wrong in their lives.
Be like going to the dentist to have him brush and floss your teeth for you.
There is also this one uncomfortable truth that the therapy crowd doesn't really want to acknowledge and that is that therapy is a luxury for the rich. Telling someone to go to therapy is actually pretty rude because not everyone can afford to throw thousands at therapy no matter how much or how little they need it.
I speak from experience. Therapy, if you are poor, can do more harm than good.
testosterone is the world's most dangerous chemical.
I am struggling to deal with j suicidal thoughts about how awful i must be because I am a man. Like I sometimes think there needs to be a brutal cleansing.
There are plenty of examples of wonderful men, go find one and make friends with him. Unless you mistreated women constantly, why would you think, by default, that your are awful?