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Yeah I've heard this said a lot but it just doesn't line up with reality. The truth of the matter is people who stay in the fascist regimes tend to just perpetuate the fascist regimes. They keep the wheels moving. Even pretending that you're helping, which statistically you're not, is still keeping things running. Your presence is lending legitimacy and competency to an organization that without you would lack both. There's got to be a line in the sand for people and frankly I think the line should be Nazis.
Also want to point out that the sycophants tend to actually gum up the works. They don't know what they're doing they do a bad job and thus it's easier to fight against them. They're easier to dismiss out of hand, and to invalidate everything they do due to their illegal appointments.
Or just don't keep the wheels moving at all, and make them fire you?
The US Military “Simple Sabotage” handbook literally says that if you can’t overtly sabotage things (like attacking supply lines, bombing factories, etc.), then you should try to covertly sabotage things by getting a job in middle management. Then just do your very best to embody the phrase “middle manglement”.
Demand unreasonable deadlines from other departments, to force them to drop what they’re doing and focus on your stuff. Fail to forward things where they need to go. Miss your own department’s deadlines, so their projects are delayed. Fire too many employees, or “encourage” them to quit. Fail to hire employees to fill vacancies. Implement tons of repetitive busywork to force employees to spend extra time on projects. Make sure vendors don’t get paid on time. Etc, etc… Basically, do everything you can to gum up the works.
It says to encourage people in these jobs to think in reverse and do a shit job, it doesn't say to take a job for the purposes of doing a shit job. You're supposed to find people already employed, use a sense of humor, encourage them to fuck off and be careless, do the opposite of what's told. The subjects are people who aren't going to quit their jobs because they can't. They have families depending on them, they may be employed in compulsory positions, like required military service.
In any case it was written about mechanics and guards, not career civil rights attorneys, a different beast entirely.
That's nice that they have that theory. The problem is there's no evidence that's ever worked. On the other hand the US military has helped to prop up and put in power multiple fascist regimes. So I'm not sure where they're coming from with that one. Now if they were saying bomb them out of existence yeah that the US military is a great fucking source of information. So it seems to me that you should try that one.
Seems like, given the nature of the actions, it's unlikely there will be evidence of it
Can't easily prove a negative but here's an example.
Emphasis mine. Albert Dumon "did his job" (the French version of the article goes a bit more in-depth). He didn't overtly defy the orders given to him under the threat of immediate execution (!). He didn't quit his job knowing that if he didn't drive the trains a German train driver would take his place. He followed the regulations to the letter of the law, as incompetently as he could afford. And his malicious compliance saved 118 lives.
Going to need proof because a lot of whistle blower data in the past twenty years is from people quietly performing internal sabotage.
Ive linked it a few times. It's part of the CIA guide to sabotaging Fascism
Lots of idiots here who can't read and think you are supporting the CIA.
First of all let's go ahead and disabuse you of the notion that whistleblowing against corrupt corporations is the same as standing up to fascism. That's an absurd comparison.
What more proof do I need than the entire history of fascism? Where are these examples of fascism being brought down by internal destruction? In the history of fascism if it's not brought down by an external War then it lasts for decades. So I think the track record for your hypothesis is rather poor. Shouldn't you be the one providing proof? Proving that resisting fascism from within works?
The sad truth is that during fascist regimes a lot of people work for the fascist because it's easy. They're just cogs in the wheel. And staying a cog helps the wheel turn.
The CIA isnt protecting you from fascism. They are directly responsible for its continued existence.
Literally nobody said that, they just posted a sabotage manual that the CIA disseminated in 1944. It's very real and very useful. Nobody really cares that it was initially released by the CIA beyond its irony value.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/26184/26184-h/26184-h.htm
Lol. The CIA guide to sabotaging fascism. The CIA. The organization that has aided and preserved fascism more than any other organization probably. Maybe MI6 deserves an honorable mention. There's a source I trust. Wow.
I really hope you're being mocked mercilessly every time you post that.
Read the actual guide, it's real and very useful. It was made during WW2, I believe, so while the US was still explicitly anti fascist
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/26184/26184-h/26184-h.htm
Maybe you can actually try reading it before judging it by its cover.
And we're all mocking you.
You keep on licking that boot. And justifying working for fascists.
I don't think they did that though...?
You should at least get your damn info correct. There are plenty of ways to critique it without demonstrating that you havent even read the damned cover. It was written by the office of strategic services, which was the precursor to the CIA. It was written for distribution to citizens within axis countries — you know, the fascist ones?!— to give them ideas for how to safely sabotage their own governments and industries. At least read the damn year, you loon.
Lol. I don't know where you got the idea that I didn't read the damn thing. That's partly why making fun of it so much. Cuz the oss, who had a history of helping Nazis flee justice so I don't know why you're invoking them like there's some kind of Paragons, was founded in 1942. We were already at War for 3 years. They weren't dropping this in 1933 to the bureaucrats were they? So explain to me again how this proves sticking around and working for Nazis helps? This manual endorsed by organizations that have never ended a fascist regime.
What are you people even talking about?
" I'm going to change the police department from the inside."
" I'm going to change the prison industry from the inside."
" I'm going to change the Nazi party from the inside."
Lmao
if you're talking about the US, then "we" were definitively not at war with the Nazis for three years at that point, nor had the OSS done anything paperclip-related at that point. You might need to get the part of your brain responsible for subtraction checked, because the united states went to war with Germany and Italy on December 11th, 1941. The OSS was founded 6 months afterward. This manual was created 2 years and 1 month after the US entered the war. Operation Paperclip would be put into effect about a year and a half later, when the US realised it was actually pushing into Germany, and there were a bunch of scientists with loose morals who could see which way the wind was blowing, and who were happy to tell them in which random mine shaft they hid all their rocketry research.
I actually tend to agree that the time for changing things from the inside has passed. I'm just annoyed at your apparent inability to comprehend numbers and their significance. Also, your refusal to even acknowledge that the whole purpose of the OSS at its inception was to infiltrate and fight the fascists. It's not some "Paragon", it's just what they were tasked with, and they did it.
the idea that the US Government had nothing to do with the end of a fascist regime after this thing was published is laughable, but I suppose it makes sense if you can't get your years straight. That must be very confusing for you.
as I said, there are so many ways that you can critique this thing that don't involve a fundamental misunderstanding of the operational goal of the US government during WWII. There are MANY problems with it, and it shows a fundamental lack of care for the safety of the saboteurs, since they were just random non-US citizens, and let nobody claim that the US government has ever given a fuck about the lives of individuals.
Schindler.
That's a fair point. If we get to the point where people are literally being shoved into ovens yeah try to gum up the works from the inside. However before we get there I think you're better off trying to stop them from the outside. Cuz you'll notice Schindler being on the inside didn't stop them from getting to the oven part. Nor did all the other cogs in the wheels stop them from getting to that point. In fact that wheel turned pretty fast. So I don't know why we should keep the wheel turning.