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I think it is a great mistake for anyone in the comments to start being China apologists just because Trump is acting like a retard.
I think you're all severely underestimating the shit China does. Trumps America isn't anywhere close to being as fucked up as China is, and I say this as a Dane who is currently dealing with the severe hatred and feelings of betrayal towards our former allies.
Let's not start simping for China because America sucks. Let's not do that. I only have a surface level understanding of what goes on in China, and that is still enough for me to say with confidence that current day America is still less of a hell hole by comparison.
I wpuld rather focus the energy in Europe to make us stronger over time so that we can be our own super power and not have to lean on the other trash bin super powers out there.
It won't happen over night and might not even happen in my lifetime, but if we can work toward that goal, I would be happy. We have survived worse.
China is in no way an appropriate strategic, economic or military partner. Its is on the other side of the planet, it has only its own best interests in mind to make itself into a regional superpower that does EXACTLY what Trump and Putin does. Its economic system is the polar opposite of Europe, open and free market vs protectionist and state-controlled market). Militarily it is growing fast but is still highly regional with limited power projection (i.e. cannot help us).
Wanting to partner with China against US makes no sense, they are the primary financier of Russia with the deliberate intent on weakening Europe and distract us from competing with them globally. Not to mention that America isn't our enemy, but Trump and his regime specifically, the vast (75%) majority of US is against the Greenland grab.
I agree with everything you say, but I still have to treat America as my enemy as long as they are run by lunatics. Nothing against normal everyday Americans, but it doesn’t help me any to know that they don’t want this to happen if it in fact ends up happening anyway. I’d like for all of this to be a bluff and trump is just being a retard as always, trying to force us to give him mining rights to Greenland…. Which he already kinda had but whatever. Problem is, you just can’t trust anything this monster does and when he has all the power of the US nation, I just can’t sit here and be like murica isn’t my enemy, it’s just trump. Well, trump is using murica to potentially start a war with my country so…
But America is still not as bad as China. People are terrifyingly ignorant about China in this comment section. Are they all Hasanabi fans, or what? 😆
What exactly makes China worse than the US?
If you have to ask, then it is time to read up on some basic history. Key words to use:
Mao
Tiananem square
Xinjiang internment camps
The one child policy, it’s immediate consequences and current day consequences.
Human trafficking, sex trafficking, abductions and illegal adoptions
Women’s rights in China
Gay rights in China. Specifically the banning and censorship of apps like grinder and erasure of "effeminate men" in media
China during Covid
China human rights violations
China freedom of speech
Maybe some of these will give you a head start.
Tiananmen Square was not simply a violent escalation of the Chinese state, so not sure if I'd wanna count that, and the "Xianjang Internment camps" still seem like made up bullshit by Adrian Zenz and the likes. But I didn't simply ask what makes China bad, because I'm well aware of that, I asked what makes it worse than the US. Key words here:
Literally every president the US ever had in the past decades
War for almost the entire existence of the country
ICE and their camps
Pretty much daily school shootings and overall gun culture for that matter
Women's rights in the US
Police violence
Horrible healthcare system causing thousands of deaths every year
Increasingly limited LGBTQ rights
War on Drugs
War on Terror
Support of or direct involvement in multiple genocides
Massive surveillance network, not just in the US, but globally
Hundreds of military bases all across the world
Guantanamo Bay
Human rights violations
Preventing people in certain countries from accessing certain much needed medications and extortion of pharmaceutical companies in other countries
Meddling in other countries' political environment and even killing or kidnapping democratically elected heads of states
Creation and funding of terrorist groups and states
Bombing mostly innocent countries to ashes and committing countless war crimes, including the use of nuclear and chemical weapons
I'm probably still missing things...
China overall has bad track record when it comes to everything related to all kinds of individual freedoms, but considering that the US is actually deliberately killing and torturing people to no end (at least on a much, much larger scale than China), I'd say that they are way worse than China. And again, this is no excuse for China, I just think they don't match the cruelty of the American empire.
And that is the problem.
Anyone who claims that China is better than the US even in the current Trump-version has even less of an understanding of China. My point was that it is scary to me, as someone who hasn’t studied Chinese history and politics in-depth, to see people who clearly know nothing about China, call it better than the US. At least I can admit my lack of knowledge.
But let me ask you this: do you think that a country that is heavily censoring its people, to the point that a Taiwanese video game was erased off the market, because it made a joke about Xi Jinping, a country that has systematically suppressed and erased entire ethnic groups’ cultures and history and throwing some of them in concentration camps where they still are to this day, struggling with a horrific human trafficking epidemic both in terms of sexual slaves but also children being kidnapped and sold in illegal adoptions, subjected their populations to inhumane and unspeakable treatment during Covid, lies about the death toll of Chinese citizens during Covid, has insane poverty and oppression of its people to this day and has yet to acknowledge what happened on tiananmen square - which, need I remind you - was a horrific slaughter of innocent youths - do you think such a country is less evil and dangerous than current day America? I am not saying American is in a great place right now, and I do not think for a second that Trump is doing the country any long term favours, but China has one of the most bloody and disturbing histiories of any current super power and the shadows have carried over from that time into current day where maybe some things have gotten a bit better relative to the horror years of peaches like Mao, but the effects of these past regimes and the social indoctrination and oppression is nothing any American or any westerner, really, can fully understand nor appreciate. I have read a few books and briefly talked to classmates of Chinese descent. One of them wrote a book about how her mom escaped China and fled to Europe. She’s not that old. It wasn’t a nice holiday, let me tell you.
But please continue with your smug insinuations and tell me how fucking educated you are about this subject. I would love to hear you convince me how America is worse than China. I heard some ding dong in this thread say that China was better because at least they only terrorize their own population and not the world. It is hard to somment on something so stupid.
this applies 1/1 to the US
Not to the same extent as in China. You can only claim that if you know absolutely nothing about China at all.
Americans have way more rights and freedoms than the Chinese do. Anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant or in bad faith.