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Florida man kills wife, shoots stepdaughter after fight over NFL game: Don't shoot me'
(www.usatoday.com)
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What kind of stupid fucking argument is that?
We're all ok with pools requiring fences and child safe gates, and your insurance is going to be higher if you have one. But kindergartens aren't doing alice drills because of mass drownings in schools.
You think there aren't laws designed for people like this not to acquire firearms?
People can put up a pool without a fence.
More children die by a magnitude of 10 compared to those killed in school. 800-1k a year drown. Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings. And that just drowning, add in alcohol related deaths, and the number shoots way way up.
Yet you're ok with pools. Which serve zero purpose. Firearms at least have a purpose.
So yea you don't care that kids die, you only care how they are killed.
Those drills are also as pointless as the nuclear drills from the 60-70s... they're pointless and do nothing but cause kids to become fearful of shit that is more rare than them drowning.
You, cherry picking
Reality, from 2022
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/09/13/guns-children-teenagers-united-states-report/75198121007/
Yep. Age 15 to 17 is the majority of those deaths, and the majority of those are from gang violence...aka the murders you don't care about, because you and everyone else points out school kids.
Also that's outdated. Cars are the number 1 cause of death in kids again. Only reason it was guns was because of covid and no one traveling.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up. Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don't do anything to solve the actual problem, which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise." Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent. The number of people who just snap one day and decide 'I'm gonna drown my entire family on the pool' or 'I'm gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her' is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it. Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
Where did I say that? Murder is already illegal. You gonna make it double illegal?
I've already explained the problem, you keep focusing on the tool used. More people are killed with knives than all rifles combined. Yet $100 says you support another pointless AWB dont you?
Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation.
Considering that (I'll point this out ....again) alcohol kills more people...yep you're damn right I'm not giving my firearms up until you can magically fix the issues in this country starting with the fascist fucks who are in power.
So...again. You don't care how they die just that guns were the cause. Knives and hands/feet kill more people a year combined than all rifles do...but like I said above you'd be for another AWB.
So...again. You don't care how they're killed, just that guns did it, so they're bad.
Just swerve into civs...one more dead person...just grab the kitchen knife...one more dead person.
Everything you're listing has one thing in common that you can't seem to focus on. Why they did it in the first place. Your bandaid solution is "ban all guns" (because let's be honest, criminals don't follow laws, so making more restrictions matters zilch to them, they'll get one from the black market).
Well, funny, I thought we had whole body's of professional lawmakers to handle the details like that, didn't realise I had to do it personally. But OK. A staged approach over 5 or 10 years, with increasing severe penalties for possession, starting with amnesty and buyback, ending with life sentences.
How does alcohol kill more? Are you talking health effects or drunk people killing people? Number of firearms used to prevent the fascist takeover which is currently in progress in the country: 0. Number of firearms used to kill a mother and cause life changing injuries to a teenager on Christmas eve: 1 (at least. Let's face, there were probably more)
Guns are the most common murder weapon in the US. Combining several categories to obtain a higher rate is disingenuous. Stating that other weapons are also used in murders does not detract from the fact that guns are overwhelmingly the murder weapon of choice.
Your comprehensiom skills need some work. A swimming pool is not the go too murder weapon in the majority of cases. If it were, we could and should discuss how to deal with that. But it's not.
Most murders are perpetrated against a specific victim with whom the murder has some sort of grievance. Not random acts of violence. Even so, if cars were being used to murder people at the rates guns were, I'd expect action.
It doesn't really matter why though. A decision is to kill, and the means to do so, against which the victim is completely defenseless, is instantly available. Moreso than any other weapon. Even if you decide to stab your girlfriend to death, you still have to at least get close enough to do it. A gun is just instant murder. Which means there is no time for second thoughts or changes of heart. The US has a higher murder rate than any comparible country precisely because murder in the US is so easy
So far your body if lawmakers have failed.
So you're end goal is a total ban. Good luck finding people who want to go door to door removing firearms from people...and the criminals will still keep theirs.
12k~ people a year are killed by drunk drivers. https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving
Removing suicides, DGUs and cops killing us(1k a year)... you're left with around 11k deaths homicide wise.
Yes because I remember now that we defeated Nazis with thoughts and prayers.
And you think that it was the guns fault? Not that an abusive piece of shit did this...
Also, we're not at the ammo box stage yet. You don't start a war when you have voting options left.
Yea because how someone is murdered doesn't matter...cause only guns count right? You snap your fingers and magically make the guns vanish and...you really think that people are just gonna stop being violent and killing each other?
We were talking about kids, and more kids die from drowning than from school shootings, but you want guns banned because....kids die? If we're going to use your logic then pools probably should go first.
Yep, and it's mostly gang violence, not random, but no one gives a shit about that. It's only when a school gets shot up. Which means you're assuming that taking the guns away is going to stop people from murdering each other...and they're not going to use some other means.
It absolutely does matter. Crimes of passion are very few, most are from as you stated between two people who know each other and done spur of the moment. Most of which is gang/drug violence. Which is grown from people who don't have safety nets or support systems to help get out of the loop.
Are you suggesting that a 110lb woman would be able to defend against a 200lb man if he didn't have a gun? Firearms are literally the greatest equalizer.
Do you think that most murders happen at a large distance? Do you even know how many people are killed each year via knives alone? I'll give you a hint, it's 4xs higher than all rifles.
You've never fired a gun have you? It's not a 1 shot kill machine. Do you really think that someone who's stabbing someone stops and thinks "I shouldn't do this"...
There is no comparable country. That's the problem.
I am literally responding to the question you proposed. But yes, a total ban seems most prudent.
The key difference, as I already said, is intent. People aren't setting out with the intention to get drunk, drive and kill someone. So yes, we should do more to prevent drunk driving. There is a lot more that can be done. Why do we have to pick between reducing drunk driving and reducing murder. As you already said, we're never going to eliminate murder,bit we can make it harder.
If he didn't gave access to a gun, he wouldn't have shot her. Anything beyond that is speculation. But in my opinion, whilst abusive men best their partners to death with depressing frequency, the majority stop somewhere short of actual murder. Whereas when they grab a gun, it tends to end in death. Guns are th great equaliser? So like I said before, this woman should have been sitting on the sofa with a loaded gun at Christmas? Just in case? Guns used in self defence are a myth, the overwhelming majority are used by an aggressor.
Exactly, spur of the moment. And when that moment passes, people change their mind. Relatively few murders are actually planned, and when the 'passion' fades so does the desire to kill.
What the fuck are you even trying say with your cherry picked statistic here? From your own statistics page, undisclosed firearms make up more deaths than every other non forearm category combined. All firearm combined make up 15x the combination of every non firearms category.
Yes. Extensive research into the knife crime 'epidemic' in London has shown this happens in about 75% of cases where one person had an knife and intended to stab another.
Ah American exceptionalism. To go with your personal exceptionalism. The beliefbthst you are special, and deserve to keep you guns, no matter the cost to society as a whole.
He says, whilst dismissing it. I care about it. Hence including it in my statistics.
Moving the goalposts. You were talking about how you need a gun to protect yourself from the fascists in power. Well, they're still in power. And getting more power everyday. And the only ones using their guns are..... The fascists.