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Florida man kills wife, shoots stepdaughter after fight over NFL game: Don't shoot me' (www.usatoday.com)

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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Well, funny, I thought we had whole body's of professional lawmakers to handle the details like that, didn't realise I had to do it personally. But OK. A staged approach over 5 or 10 years, with increasing severe penalties for possession, starting with amnesty and buyback, ending with life sentences.

So far your body if lawmakers have failed.

So you're end goal is a total ban. Good luck finding people who want to go door to door removing firearms from people...and the criminals will still keep theirs.

How does alcohol kill more? Are you talking health effects or drunk people killing people?

12k~ people a year are killed by drunk drivers. https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving

Removing suicides, DGUs and cops killing us(1k a year)... you're left with around 11k deaths homicide wise.

Number of firearms used to prevent the fascist takeover which is currently in progress in the country: 0.

Yes because I remember now that we defeated Nazis with thoughts and prayers.

Number of firearms used to kill a mother and cause life changing injuries to a teenager on Christmas eve: 1 (at least. Let's face, there were probably more)

And you think that it was the guns fault? Not that an abusive piece of shit did this...

Also, we're not at the ammo box stage yet. You don't start a war when you have voting options left.

Guns are the most common murder weapon in the US. Combining several categories to obtain a higher rate is disingenuous. Stating that other weapons are also used in murders does not detract from the fact that guns are overwhelmingly the murder weapon of choice.

Yea because how someone is murdered doesn't matter...cause only guns count right? You snap your fingers and magically make the guns vanish and...you really think that people are just gonna stop being violent and killing each other?

Your comprehensiom skills need some work. A swimming pool is not the go too murder weapon in the majority of cases. If it were, we could and should discuss how to deal with that. But it's not.

We were talking about kids, and more kids die from drowning than from school shootings, but you want guns banned because....kids die? If we're going to use your logic then pools probably should go first.

Most murders are perpetrated against a specific victim with whom the murder has some sort of grievance. Not random acts of violence. Even so, if cars were being used to murder people at the rates guns were, I'd expect action.

Yep, and it's mostly gang violence, not random, but no one gives a shit about that. It's only when a school gets shot up. Which means you're assuming that taking the guns away is going to stop people from murdering each other...and they're not going to use some other means.

It doesn't really matter why though.

It absolutely does matter. Crimes of passion are very few, most are from as you stated between two people who know each other and done spur of the moment. Most of which is gang/drug violence. Which is grown from people who don't have safety nets or support systems to help get out of the loop.

A decision is to kill, and the means to do so, against which the victim is completely defenseless, is instantly available.

Are you suggesting that a 110lb woman would be able to defend against a 200lb man if he didn't have a gun? Firearms are literally the greatest equalizer.

Moreso than any other weapon. Even if you decide to stab your girlfriend to death, you still have to at least get close enough to do it.

Do you think that most murders happen at a large distance? Do you even know how many people are killed each year via knives alone? I'll give you a hint, it's 4xs higher than all rifles.

A gun is just instant murder. Which means there is no time for second thoughts or changes of heart.

You've never fired a gun have you? It's not a 1 shot kill machine. Do you really think that someone who's stabbing someone stops and thinks "I shouldn't do this"...

The US has a higher murder rate than any comparible country precisely because murder in the US is so easy

There is no comparable country. That's the problem.

[–] supamanc@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

So you're end goal is a total ban. Good luck finding people who want to go door to door removing firearms from people...and the criminals will still keep theirs.

Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation

I am literally responding to the question you proposed. But yes, a total ban seems most prudent.

12k~ people a year are killed by drunk drivers. https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving

The key difference, as I already said, is intent. People aren't setting out with the intention to get drunk, drive and kill someone. So yes, we should do more to prevent drunk driving. There is a lot more that can be done. Why do we have to pick between reducing drunk driving and reducing murder. As you already said, we're never going to eliminate murder,bit we can make it harder.

And you think that it was the guns fault? Not that an abusive piece of shit did this... ;Are you suggesting that a 110lb woman would be able to defend against a 200lb man if he didn't have a gun? Firearms are literally the greatest equalizer.

If he didn't gave access to a gun, he wouldn't have shot her. Anything beyond that is speculation. But in my opinion, whilst abusive men best their partners to death with depressing frequency, the majority stop somewhere short of actual murder. Whereas when they grab a gun, it tends to end in death. Guns are th great equaliser? So like I said before, this woman should have been sitting on the sofa with a loaded gun at Christmas? Just in case? Guns used in self defence are a myth, the overwhelming majority are used by an aggressor.

It absolutely does matter. Crimes of passion are very few, most are from as you stated between two people who know each other and done spur of the moment.

Exactly, spur of the moment. And when that moment passes, people change their mind. Relatively few murders are actually planned, and when the 'passion' fades so does the desire to kill.

Do you think that most murders happen at a large distance? Do you even know how many people are killed each year via knives alone? I'll give you a hint, it's 4xs higher than all rifles.

What the fuck are you even trying say with your cherry picked statistic here? From your own statistics page, undisclosed firearms make up more deaths than every other non forearm category combined. All firearm combined make up 15x the combination of every non firearms category.

Do you really think that someone who's stabbing someone stops and thinks "I shouldn't do this"...

Yes. Extensive research into the knife crime 'epidemic' in London has shown this happens in about 75% of cases where one person had an knife and intended to stab another.

There is no comparable country. That's the problem.

Ah American exceptionalism. To go with your personal exceptionalism. The beliefbthst you are special, and deserve to keep you guns, no matter the cost to society as a whole.

Yep, and it's mostly gang violence, not random, but no one gives a shit about that.

He says, whilst dismissing it. I care about it. Hence including it in my statistics.

Yes because I remember now that we defeated Nazis with thoughts and prayers.

Moving the goalposts. You were talking about how you need a gun to protect yourself from the fascists in power. Well, they're still in power. And getting more power everyday. And the only ones using their guns are..... The fascists.