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[–] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 139 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Easy: So I can scratch Toyota from the list of potentially interesting car companies for my next car.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 88 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

You can simply scratch every single new car from that list while you're at it. Every single one is a massive privacy violation with zero right to repair and corporations that soft-support the Nazi's in myriad ways. Buy used and repair yourself, or walk.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I'm learning a hard lesson that you can't fix much after ~2016 either. You can replace the parts, but good luck resetting the computers without proprietary dealership software.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, you have to go back to the 2000s-2010s era and when abundant spare parts and junkyards start to run out, be prepared to invest new-car level cash in custom fabrication and mechanical work to keep it on the road. Cars don't really have to be as complicated or expensive as they are, but for now, they're always going to be. People have always been custom-building cars for show, for history, for racing, for performance, and pretty soon we're going to start doing it for daily drivers too, and it'll stay that way until they start changing the laws to try to force these cars off the road for environmental reasons. Until then, support your local custom car builders, they're going to become the future of repairable cars, at least when it comes to the pre-EV gas guzzlers.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 months ago

Basically, start taking notes from Cuban car culture. They're custom fabricating everything to keep their yank tanks operating.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Should be a full business keeping pre 2014 cars on the road or resto modding them to use after market user serviceable ecus.

Really depends on the car though. You can do amything with any 5.0 mustang and keep it going forever. An 02 focus though, youre screwed and there's no parts avilable any more and no aftermarket for it

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Most manufacturer software is easy to find online.

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you allowed to share or at least hint? Interested in this.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I have BMW (ISTA) and Toyota (Techstream) software. Both are easy to find if you search for it.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

soft-support the Nazi's in myriad ways.

Porsche, Mercedes Benz, Mitsubishi, Subaru, BMW, and VW: "Haha yeah, soft support, riiiight...."

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I love my 14 year old vw with no smart system (what little smart infotainment system it has hasn’t worked since I bought it and I’m replacing it with a regular stereo eventually) that I bought with a little cash. It has no frills like blind spot detection, lane stuff, nor backup camera, and I love it. But it has the right frills like heated seats and a sunroof.

I’m not sure I want a newer vehicle.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] Grimtuck@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that the one created/owned by Amazon? I'm not sure you'll be correct.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

Bezos is an investor, yes. I don't think he has actual direct control over anything though.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

Its literally funded by Amazon. Hard fucking pass.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It’s still required to have all the mandatory safety systems like automatic braking, back up camera etc. And to have those systems, all the brake and steering systems will require the same electronics as every other brand. It’s also why Toyota techs hate working on the Supra, because it actually uses design/tech from this decade, and it even uses BMW electronics that are two generations behind current BMWs.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

They are literally the only ones who make a decent car anymore. Every other brand is horrible and constantly breaks down.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hard disagree. Toyota has its lemons as well and people who bitch about problems far outweigh people who are happy and don’t say shit.

I’ve driven and owned Jeep (80-90 model), Eagle, Nissan, Mazda, Hyundai, and now Subaru and my vehicles have all been spectacular and lasted a long time with routine maintenance.

Do some model years or brands have some duds? Yeah. No one is perfect and plenty of other brands are just great.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

routine maintenance.

This is the real key here. I have had vehicles that have lasted forever because I took the time to learn what to check regularly and do a lot of my own diagnosis and basic repairs.

The idea of modern automobiles is actually absurd when you think about it. It's a massive combustion engine that starts up instantly, every day, multiple times and runs for thousands of hours, across huge distances at incredible speed and most of the time the operators never even think of it past refueling or cleaning the shell.

I owned generators and many other kinds of engines, and without incredible engineering they are a pain in the ass to keep running all the time. Heat and cold cycles, multiple fluids that have to interact, timing between components, a vast array of materials and different kinds of moving parts... we really take it for granted, and because of that the newer cars are designed to be more hands-off and harder and harder to actually maintain. They are now counting on people not giving a fuck and just buying a new one when it starts to "run funny."

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Yes, exactly this. Many people just don’t do the basics and part of that is money. The labor costs are what get ya. The complexity of narrowing down what’s wrong as the cars are more computerized and have more electrical components also makes it difficult to diagnose even for the pros.

Key detail is that routine maintenance is important. Spark plugs, oil changes, flushes, timing belt, radiator, tires, brake pads, etc.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Toyota CHR was a certified peice of shit.

and I say this as I post from work at a Toyota Dealer.

apparentley they're bringing it back as either an EV or a plugin EV like the Rav Prime.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Ask owners of new Tundras what they think about “reliability”. But, It is true, Toyotas are so fucking basic in design, there is not much to break or wear out. They are 10 years behind most other companies.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Made in the USA btw. If you want a good Toyota, you have to get a J VIN car. (From Japan) The Mexican Tacoma's are ass too.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All RAV4 are built in Canada.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Not all of them. Some hybrids are made in Japan as well. My wife's was. Granted, it was a 2016. From what I've read, they still make some there.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

Idk I know they aren't perfect. I kind of dislike them more that their executives are maga. Still I wouldn't buy any other car because cars are too expensive to be buying dumb shit.

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] 5too@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Man, we had a Subaru outback for a while. Still miss the space, but the interior flooded every time it rained.

Turns out, the roof doesn't actually have a place to shed water externally - it drains through the car before going out the bottom. Apparently part of regular maintenance involves cleaning out that channel... and where we live has enough tree debris that it always clogged up early, and backed up into the passenger compartment.

Now, I don't know a lot about car design... but draining the roof through the body of the car, in such a way that you have to have a service tech see to it to keep it weatherproof? Makes me wonder what else might be waiting to go wrong.

[–] washbasin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What model year was that? Never heard of such a thing. I suspect you had a defective car.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I want to say 2014-2016? It was bizarre, but the dealership didn't seem to have any notion that it was a real problem. Just kept hearing back "Oh yeah, sounds like it needs blown out again" whenever it happened.

And it was never a problem right after it was serviced, just in the month or two before it was due to be serviced again. It seemed like there was a SOP that could address it, it just required frequent maintenance to be able to handle rain falling on the roof.

[–] washbasin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's so weird. I know two people with that model year who don't have that issue. Your comment spurred me to ask around. Very weird, sorry you had to deal with that.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, like I said, it sounds like normal maintenance is enough to keep up with the "typical" use case. We live in an area with a lot of trees, and had nowhere to park it where debris didn't clog it fast, apparently. They did recommend we park it in the garage at one point, but... the car was longer than our garage! Seemed silly to renovate our house to expand our garage when the problem was that the car wasn't built to shed dirty rainwater safely, so we sold it and got a shorter car instead.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

I don't know anything about them.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Take a look at Volvo or Mercedes

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Volvo's offering in my country:
No prices on their website, so I checked out used Volvos, year 2025 and an XC40 starts at 36k EUR with 10k km on it.
I don't think this is a brand I can seriously get behind because I feel like they're trolling me.

[–] Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Also Volvo is as Swedish as Shanghai. Geely owns them and it shows.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

Mercedes reliable? Not since the early 80s.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Dude Mercedes are garbage nowadays and Volvos are built by the Chinese. Honda is the obvious choice.