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    [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Oh, lord. Who did what now?

    Do you mean ΓΎis?

    [–] inzen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Why the downvotes? I had the same question. It's hard to keep track.

    [–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

    A lot of people are afraid of non-standard letters.

    [–] teft@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    San tends to use letters like Þ to represent a "th" sound. The letter is an old english one that died out. Lots of people will downvote his comments (including ones that use standard letters) for...reasons? I'm honestly not sure why.

    Personally I'm down with bringing back old school letters. English orthography is almost as bad as french.

    [–] inzen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    A little eccentric but also kinda cool. Thx for the explanation, I didn't even notice.

    [–] Colloidal@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    It's the wrong old English letter. Thorn is used for the th in thorn. The th in the and this is Eth. I might be a pedant, but I'm a pedant with standards.

    [–] teft@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    I'm not sure why you said it's the "wrong" old english letter. I only specified "th sound" for thorn.

    Also Eth and thorn were used interchangeably in old and middle english. Don't be a pedant without knowing the actual info especially since this is the 4th paragraph on wikipedia:

    The letter thorn was used in Old English very early on, as was Γ°, which was called eth. Unlike eth, thorn remained in common use through most of the Middle English period. Both letters were used for the phoneme /ΞΈ/, sometimes by the same scribe.

    [–] Colloidal@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    The IPA defined their use as such.

    [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

    But using them interchangeably is accurate to Old English.

    [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

    Although I don't downvote their comments, I'd rather, they put the effort to use those separate characters for the 2 voices.
    Otherwise, I don't really feel it to be a better option than 'th'.
    And even though I know they are not looking for a "better option", I feel like this is something I can't get behind unless it is and that doesn't really make me happy to think of it.

    [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Eth and thorn were interchangeable. (go to timestamp 8:06, for some reason lemmy keeps eating my attempt to link directly to that time.)

    RFC 98 was co-created and championed mostly by a person who has a history of within-organization agitation, first within Google, and now within Nix. They have a history of social activism and labor organization, and as far as I can tell, they are employed or contracted in various capacities that allow them to pursue these goals. By any reading, they are extremely polite and accommodating in the absolutely mind-endingly long RFC 98 doom-shedding.

    I'm very confused about where those is going. the way it was prefaced made it seem like they were about to blame said co-creator from a right-wing perspective, but then the end of the paragraph affirmed their cordial collaboration and politeness.

    as far as I was aware, the drama was largely Determinate Systems making a lot of QoL improvements gated behind their products + flakes eternally in beta and then the contract with Anduril