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[–] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If you lead with "Thing you like is actually bad", their immediate response will be to disagree with you and start defending the thing they like. And if you want someone to listen to your arguments, rather than just try to poke holes in them, you must avoid putting them on the defensive.

To get through to people, find common ground and build off that. "If you like FEATURE in GAME, you'll probably love SIMILAR FEATURE in OTHER GAME because..." is something that's actually going to get someone interested, rather than start a pointless argument :)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

If you lead with “Thing you like is actually bad”

Why would you assume the critiques are of things they like? 5e has plenty of widely recognized flaws.

To get through to people, find common ground and build off that.

Often, simply catering to people's priors means never leaving their comfort zone.

[–] kichae@wanderingadventure.party 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Sute, but the thing they like is "D&D", and D&D isn't just a game anymore, it's an identity signifier. Pointing people to other games before establishing yourself as firmly not attacking their identity is going to trigger a fight.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

D&D isn’t just a game anymore, it’s an identity signifier

Which is part of the problem. Like talking to someone who only drinks Coca-Cola about trying a new bag of tea you brought over.

attacking their identity

If you've wedded yourself so deeply to the brand that you feel attacked whenever someone levels a critique, you're probably not mature enough to be at my table.

[–] kichae@wanderingadventure.party 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, but these discussions aren't happening at you're table. "Well, fuck them then" isn't exactly helpful.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

“Well, fuck them then”

Isn't what I said. But if that's what you've heard, you're illustrating my point.