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[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 118 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Okay but who's the one defining a protest as violent? You get enough people together and you're going to have some aseholes that damage property but are the minority. If chocolate can have 5% bugs, then protests should be able to have 5% violence and still be called peaceful.

Or heck, if people react when police instigate, should that be called a violent protest?

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Okay but who's the one defining a protest as violent?

The same people who write the history books. History is written by the winners, and when they write those books the protests that led to them winning are written up as being non-violent. It's like "terrorists" vs. "freedom fighters". If they succeed, they get to write the history books and they're freedom fighters. If they lose, the other side writes the history books and they're terrorists.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Cops are great at making any protest violent.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Okay but who's the one defining a protest as violent?

I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with cocks

[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 day ago

It's it wrong to throw rocks when people are shooting you with rubber bullets?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The guys with Glocks? Agreed.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is an important question. I believe the research in question defined movements by the predominant tactic used, even if there was a small amount of violence.

So protests like the anti-ICE ones in LA would probably count as non-violent in the research.

Edit: Here is a more recent work by the same author that more directly engages with some of the questions and criticisms that emerged from their initial work the BBC article is discussing.

https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-polisci-051421-124128

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago

History is written by the victors.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 1 day ago

Okay but who’s the one defining a protest as violent?

From the article

Perhaps most obviously, violent protests necessarily exclude people who abhor and fear bloodshed, whereas peaceful protesters maintain the moral high ground.

Chenoweth points out that nonviolent protests also have fewer physical barriers to participation. You do not need to be fit and healthy to engage in a strike, whereas violent campaigns tend to lean on the support of physically fit young men. And while many forms of nonviolent protests also carry serious risks – just think of China’s response in Tiananmen Square in 1989 – Chenoweth argues that nonviolent campaigns are generally easier to discuss openly, which means that news of their occurrence can reach a wider audience. Violent movements, on the other hand, require a supply of weapons, and tend to rely on more secretive underground operations that might struggle to reach the general population.

Violent protests seems to mean a violent campaign of armed, planned attacks.

I doubt that would include unplanned outbreaks of violence from people not organized for that purpose.

[–] ragingHungryPanda@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

I don't want to ask about the chocolate