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You suckers for propaganda still blaming Biden for Israel, but never the Congress that approved foreign aid to Israel, never the Republicans who this very moment are trying to remove the Palestinians from Gaza…. Cool, keep harping on that and ignore whatever the fuck Trump & Co. are doing to this nation. And to Gaza…
Biden had the same foreign policies towards Israel as every president before him but the progressives decided it was too much now… and we’re still waiting for them to do something.
also because MSM were constantly putting it on blast to derail his chances of a 2nd term, mind you the msms are owned by conservatives so they have an agenda against him.
It's always been one of many reasons progressives stand apart from centrists, but are you really so tone-deaf that you can't see why it might have become particularly relevant during Biden's presidency?
And how, exactly, are the progressives supposed to do something when the Democratic Party puts more resources into beating down progressives than it does Republicans?
This comment betrays the absolute inhumanity of the Democratic Party. "Why do you give a shit about other humans, and why don't you do something about it with the zero power we've allowed you to have?" What a horrific position to take.
Yes, arming a genocidal state while knowing explicitly what those weapons are being used for is too much. Why are only the progressives against genocide?
Single issue voters, no matter how morally complicated that issue is, always end up with blinders on to everything else.
Things are worse in Palestine then they’ve ever been, Ukraine is being wiped off the map and the states is tearing themselves apart but I guess the progressives can rest easy knowing they directly or indirectly voted for this.
What issues are defendable if genocide isnt one? Shouldnt we be mad at the political party that actually made it their platform.
Sucks that he's dying but nothing was stopping him from telling Israel "No". When all your voters unanimously dont want genocide, you're just a dick for still running it anyways. The wishes of a foreign genocidal state shouldnt come before the american people.
He and most of the party fucked us over, not the voters.
Great!
Trump literally aided a dozen other genocides since being elected:
Ukraine, Gaza, all the countries that USAID was trying to help, ditto for UNHRC and WHO.
Not voting against Trump is supporting all those genocides, well done.
I voted for Harris but their job is to win elections and help the population, not help Israels dead baby machine.
They screwed us over so Israel could keep killing without worry, and I'm not ready to pat them on the back and tell them it was the voters fault and not theirs.
The Israel situation would've changed nothing and the Dems know it, and it blows me away that this is the issue everyone harps on online. There are a lot of folks who passionately believe in the cause of Gaza, but when you look at the states Trump won, no one gives a fuck. In Michigan of all places, it should've been enough, but if you count up all the people who say they didn't vote for Harris over Gaza, even here it wasn't enough to have mattered.
While pockets of us do passionately care about the issue and congregate loudly in liberal spaces like this, the vast majority of the country gives zero fucks about brown people on the other side of the world. Zero. Fucks. And they are completely unapologetic about it.
So folks sitting out voting aren't changing anything for either side. They aren't responsible for putting Trump into office, but also Dems don't give a fuck and aren't going to change course over it. And also third party is not going to happen for President. Literally nothing voters do is going to change America's Israel policy for the next twenty years.
The two party system is a fucking farce, but also it's essentially baked into the constitution. This has been your daily dose of fuckitall-anyway.
This conversation is like talking to an anti-abortionist with them thinking they won the conversation because you agree with killing babies…
Great way to ignore everything I said.
I don't understand what is so rewarding with bootlicking a party that made genocide part of their fundamental values and tried their hardest to give Trump the election.
They had a choice, you or genocide, and they chose genocide.
‘I can’t agree with anything you say if you don’t want to save those poor defenseless babies!’
"I can't agree with blaming voters when it's clearly the fault of the party that wanted to kill defenseless babies no matter what."
Thats what I'm actually saying. Genocide should never have been an election issue, its crazy how the dems fucked up sooooo hard. I don't understand defending them.
I know.
In some people’s mind it’s a thought and conversation ending term just like baby killing.
That’s why it’s a wedge issue that creates single issue voters too.
You keep glossing over the fact that the dems chose to make it a wedge issue instead of just backing down and saying "Ya, genocide is bad and we wont help Israel do it".
And you keep proving my point.
No, you keep just ignoring it.
The dems, by choosing to represent genocide, even though it was clearly a disgusting and highly unpopular platform, created a wedge issue that cost them and us the election. They betrayed us for the interests of a foreign nation.
This argument falls apart completely when the other guy was actually more genocidal. If we got all the terrible horrible shit they're doing BUT they actually saved Gaza, then it would hold some weight.
Why not both? Plus, he could have condemned backing isreal, regardless of what congress voted to do.
Because it's never both. I could count on one hand the times I seen people on lemmy call Trump a genocide supporting megalomaniac and I'd still have enough fingers to count to 5.
People call him out everyday. What you dont see is people defending him.
Russians found America's greatest weakness:
Most of us are pathetic whiners who will use any excuse to not actually do something meaningful.
Give them a chance to whine online, they'll put up with LITERAL fascism.
They used the exact same techniques to steer the GOP towards their evil dixiecrat core.
It's genocide lmao, kind of the best excuse you can find.
Shame the dems cared so little about their voters that they chose to give Russia such an easy win. At least Israel got to kill a bunch of civilians. Hope it was worth it.
Really fun that I'm supposed to get mad at voters that cant stomach genocide of all things, and not the pro-genocide party masquerading as good guys.
So, you realize Trump is 10x Biden/Harris or really anyone else when it comes to genocides?
Not just Gaza, but Ukraine, cancelling USAID, WHO, and generally destabilizing the planet.
Trump is the bigger problem, put a stake through his heart and then move on.
Or be happy being sent to El Salvador for even speaking out about Gaza.
I've been saying this since November 5th, but this argument is completely meaningless unless the other choice was against genocide. And hey guess how Gaza is doing right now?
They also seem to think the conflict/occupation started October 7
You may have forgotten Biden broke US law by going around Congress to provide arms to Israel...
https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-congress-1dc77f20aac4a797df6a2338b677da4f
Or maybe you never knew?
Of course I blame all of those people too, what the hell are you talking about? They should all be tried and hanged in a Super Nuremberg. The only tragedy in Joe Biden's cancer is that he won't live to face justice for the atrocities he committed over his long and comfortable life. I have hope that all the monsters in congress and both party apparatuses will hang one day.
Y’all “blame” Congress and Trump and Republicans only in passing when called out on it. Otherwise it’s the “Democrats” fault with no further mention of anyone else who could be complicit. The rest of us notice.
Both parties are wrong for enabling genocide. I wont defend either of them. Both need to stop and distance themselves from any genocidal states.
You probably see a discrepancy in comments about it because its mostly reactive commenting to people actually defending democrats for their stance. Everyone is in agreement that Trump is helping Israel commit genocide but with the democrats, there is always a scapegoat to point the finger at.
You "blame" the Republicans so much you never once commented about their involvement in Israel until now, when you are called out on it.
Thanks for backing up my point: All complaints to Biden, nothing to Congress or Trump. Even if Biden tried to cut funding to Israel, Congress would have overridden him.
Literally the opposite happened...
https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-congress-1dc77f20aac4a797df6a2338b677da4f
Congress didn't want to because there was evidence US arms were being used in the genocide.
Biden violated the Leahy Law by personally going around Congress and "selling" bombs to Israel.
You're spreading blatant revisionism about recent events all over, even when people inform you. So it's really looking like intentional misinformation on your part.
Do you think this “genocide” would have kicked off without the Hamas attack?