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It's counterproductive, even for the ones that once thought it was a way to improve society. They are just being used, and should reconsider if they are doing more harm than good.
Reconsider?! Whoa there. That's too much like thinkin' which is the devil's work.
What would be more awesome? Walking on water? Or flying thru a lake at ludicrous speeds on a jet? Or same but on a jetpack? Or same but at 30,000feet on a Boeing flying machine?
Also imagine a Boeing plane sitting on 30,000 feet? Why!!!
https://lemm.ee/c/open_christian
knock yourself out
that comm seems to be quite progressive, and very intent to interpret Christianity in a good and helpful way. bit weird to target them tbh.
OP needed change of heart, maybe they'll induce one.
Feel free to spit in my face then.
I’d argue that what these people are spreading is about as close to Christianity as Trump’s sharpie hurricane map is to an actual hurricane though; damaging and ignorant by misleading people.
As an example, they say God orders women to submit to their husbands. They get that from a letter Paul of Tarsus wrote to a group of early Christians in response to the way a particular group of (uneducated, likely trophy) wives were behaving that wasn’t in line with Jesus’ teachings to put others before themselves, because they misunderstood the bit about Jesus being an ultimate sacrifice that freed people from Jewish law to mean that you could behave however you wanted, and all would be forgiven. Paul told them that’s not how things work, and to ask their (likely educated in Jewish law) husbands to explain it to them at home instead of disrupting public meetings by preaching junk like this.
Unfortunately, a lot if what the public sees of Christianity in the US is remixes of exactly the same things the Bible these people own directly instructs against.
Jesus was a socialist pacifist. These people attempt to re-make him in their own image, taking instructions from his immediate followers out of context to justify their behavior, totally ignoring actual direct commands like “love your enemies and do good to those who hate you.”
I don't disagree with you that these people are taking a message that seems inconsistent with the biblical portrayal of Jesus. But the above comment was criticising people "who feel the urge to spread Christianity in any way". Which, yeah. Fuck them. If someone wants to do their research and convert to Christianity because they like it, more power to them.
But introducing children to that nonsense (by which I mean belief in resurrections and other obviously ridiculous bullshit, even if it's not directly used to cause tangible harm) as though it's fact at a vulnerable young age should be considered child abuse. And preying on vulnerable lonely or depressed people and using highly manipulative tactics like love bombing the way many evangelical branches of Christianity do, as do Mormons and I believe Jehovah's Witnesses, should also be considered abusive behaviour.
As part of that group, you own ALL their bad behavior, because your group doesn’t do anything to remove that element from the group.
So now that distorted sharpie-version of Christianity IS the actual and real Christianity, even if you don’t like it. You can either accept that being a christian is very similar to being a garbage nazi, or you can start to kick them out.
But they’re yours, and you’re theirs
Out of curiosity, have you ever used the phrase "No True Scotsman" when people try to claim someone isn't really a Christian?
Yup; upvoted, and doing exactly this.
But that same argument can be applied at all levels. These people are also Americans and humans, with a distorted sharpie-version of both identities.
We all need to own our shared identity with these people while rejecting the false narratives they stand behind.
“Humans” nor “Americans” are a group that espouse moral authority. So of course there’s a HUGE difference, and I’m not sure your point is anything but whataboutism
How do Americans have more moral authority right now than Christians? They’re overlapping groups that as a whole are behaving pretty badly right now. You could apply the same logic here to police officers or many other groups (manyotherism?)
You may have a point with humanity as a whole, as there’s only one way to exit that group and it’s not going to be an effective solution to the world’s current problems.
It’s not “whataboutisn” when someone says “I own that and I’m doing what I can to fix things. This needs to be applied to other groups as well” though. That’s a “yes, and” not a “not this but that” argument.
In this context, the other groups are brought up solely to illustrate the issues, and not to condone the bad behavior festering inside the larger group that self-identifies as Christian.
Uh, what?
Imma be honest, I don't know what they said either, but in part it's because your comment that they're replying to didn't make sense.
This doesn't scan at all.
No true Scotsman. All religion is evil by nature of faith over evidence and magical thinking.
And above you is someone saying any Christian is responsible for the actions of everyone who claims to be a Christian. So what is a Christian to do?
They're not allowed to reject someone and the things they are saying because "No True Scotsman", but they are also held responsible for the things this other person does because they have not expelled them somehow, which is something they aren't allowed to do.
If you're going to say "No True Scotsman" then you can't also claim every "Scotsman" is responsible for the actions of every other "Scotsman".
You won't like the answer. If you don't want to be lumped in with other magical thinkers, then don't be a magical thinker, else you're in the same boat and should be evaluated the same. All flavors are the same and all are destructive, just with differing exact details. It is possible to be a scientific thinker and be evil, but this can be changed with evidence on the whole, but it is not possible to be a magical thinker and to not contribute to evil, and those aspects cannot be changed as they are core to a faulty methodology of thinking which is pervasive, insidious, and pseudo-randomly aligned with changing educational theory. If you think it's possible to only align magical thinking with benevolent acts, you're wrong.
So you're "No True Scotsman" was not in regards to "Christian" but in regards to "Religious"? I don't think OP was claiming these people aren't religious, OP was claiming that OP's beliefs and these people believes do not overlap.
Do you seriously think "Christian", "Buddhist" and "Hindu" are all the same?
Over 75% of people in the world in religious in some way or another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion
By your logic the world is overrun by evil people.