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In my limited experience with Lemmy I would say the problem here is worse, but different due to the whole instance and decentralized thing.
I definitely don't think Lemmy has much ground to stand on in terms of looking down on reddit for the echo chamber they created.
Not sure if you are correct. On lemmy we have several different echo chambers with many interconnections. Best seen in the .world .lm flame wars. This might be a rather unique situation tbh and quite interesting for a sociological study, I guess.
I have been on Lemmy for over a year, and honestly, Lemmy should be looking up to Reddit on the echo chamber topic, not down on them lol. Like, if you thought Reddit was bad with Witch Hunts / Block Sprees / Whatever other tactics to create an echo chamber, Lemmy makes Reddit look like it has the mose diversity of opinions and posts on the entire internet.
I first came here from Reddit. About 2 or 3 months prior to the API Shutdown, I deleted my Reddit account on my own. Wasn't banned, never had been banned, just didn't want an account anymore. Then I saw in a Discord server someone talking about the API Shutdown, so I went to read some posts on Reddit about it. This is where I saw someone mention Lemmy. They talked about it like this place that was open to any ideas, any ideology (obviously not disgusting criminal activity like CSAM, yes I was here on Lemmy for the CSAM raiding early on unfortunately), was not politically affiliated with any political group or government. Sounded great to me, since I don't care about politics and don't want to see it. I have to see it enough in real life and I just don't want to deal with that crap any more than I have to. Just Lemmy users talking about their niche hobbies or groups. Basically, I was sold the idea of Reddit without politics.
For the first maybe, 3 or 4 months, Lemmy was pretty good. Not politically infested, nearly everything was on topic, not a lot of bots or spam. Genuine conversations between people that didn't always agree but those conversations did not devolve into name calling or anything. Dunno what happened, but that Lemmy is gone.
And before anyone brings it up, yes, I am a Lemmy.world mod for c/cars. The LW Admins asked me to be a mod because I was one of the more active users in that sub, along with the other current mod. At first, I said no. I didn't want to be a moderator, and honestly I still don't. But after asking me more and me saying no more, eventually the admins convinced me to be a mod. Here's the thing: I have never had to take moderator action on anything. Don't know if I ever will because of how low traffic that community is. But my mod style is simple: I don't care if I agree with what is said or not. I only care if a rule is broken. Justice should not have an opinion, so when I need to take action I disconnect it from my own ideas and opinions. Kinda like what one is supposed to do as part of a Jury in the US Justice System.
Anyway, the point is, Lemmy and Reddit have pretty much become the same, because they are now both infected with the same basic problem. So I wouldn't say Reddit is worse than Lemmy or better. They both have pros and cons that make them more or less equal, just the pros and cons are in opposite ways. Perfectly balanced, if you will.
I would say that Reddit’s problems are enhanced by complicit admins. I feel that Lemmy instances can get just as bad as any subreddit power tripping mods can be. The good news though is that users have much more power to start a fresh instance and get it popular as the main name of the instance before the @ can stay the same. This is a big deal compared to Reddit imo, as the ability to hold the name of the community gives a lot more leverage over legitimacy. Take r/manga for instance, I believe most of the mods over there are now inactive. Another head mod has not come in to fill the void, and the subreddit has not posted things like applications for new mods. The userbase feels stuck to that subreddit due to how impactful the name is in attracting users to the community. Sure can offshoot can slowly grow in popularity, but it may be missed by the people that stop their search after typing in ‘manga’ to the search bar.
TL;DR Lemmy has it’s issues, but it is much harder for any one instance’s mods to be overly harsh on their rules as the risk of users jumping to a new instance with the same name is relatively low.
I agree. Of course lemmy and Reddit are the same. The tech might be different, but the format and the people are the same. Reading all this “us vs them” nonsense feels silly.
Maybe there is a misogynist instance for you somewhere: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=19216260
🤣 that's the most mild misogyny I've ever heard. If that's all it takes to get banned from an entire instance you guys are fucked in the future. I can't believe I've not seen this pettiness before. This whole project is a joke. Death threats are a ok, but mild misogyny gets you banned? You all are warped in the head it that's how you feel.
This person has indeed been instance banned from SJW: https://sh.itjust.works/u/[email protected]
Your own modlog isn't really painting the best picture: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=19133771
Remember when we once spoke about how a lot of Redditors are not people we want here and the culture here repulsing some isn't necessarily a bad thing?
Well.
The instance and communities bans seems to indicate they are indeed getting repulsed
🤣 sure dude, you should look at the comments I was defending against. Threats of murder, misandry, misinformation, harassment. That's all alright with you though. Man the left is so cooked if y'all gatekeep like that. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say Lemmy is much much worse with censorship and gatekeeping than reddit ever was/is.
Edit: censorship for perceived "liberalism," give me a break. What a crook of manure.
Edit2: it's even worse than I thought 🤣. Banned for "ignorant lib chauvinism" what a dumb reason. Censored for racism for saying I don't give Jews the benefit of the doubt after they pulled a genocide against Palestinians.
The internet is a tool. In the age of AI what we need more than ever is real local communities. I think when it comes to getting the truth out it is pearls before swine. Throw them meat and see how the herd digests. It is like digital drive by. The real world is outside. the internet is a tool. Don't be a tool. worship principal not men.It don't take any of this online stuff too seriously and with a historical framework I know with certainty that capitalism with be abolished or justice will be served. We still live in the age of imperialism and capitalism is the economic system that is used globally. Fascist are the useful idiots of empire. With the left and right paradigm, there are points of intersectionality that will eventually bring both sides together. The rich know this, that's why they're building cop cities. The discourse in the public is surface level and never gets to the root cause because they never plan on dealing with that and they just want you to be happy with what you got, which is not much. But don't let the internet be a crutch. One day, they'll start snatching us all up. Like the UK. Black bag and all. It's not just immigrants that they plan On snatchin' up. I don't know if anybody remembers, but there was a black socialist group full of aging boomers that got raided by Biden's police state. So both political parties are pretty much slaves to foreign investment, which is really just a money laundering scheme that goes back into the treacherous pockets of the ruling elite that lives in the United States. For instance, the German people are not devils, not even during World War II, because every war is a bankers' war, and it has nothing to do with the Jews. If you have a well-rounded understanding of up to World War I up to now, you realize that none of this stuff is really a surprise. The Book of History never closes. The United States did not destroy Hitler's Germany, but employed the fascist to fight the Soviet Union. Hence, the saying that fascist are the useful idiots of empire. And empire doesn't make room for democracy. As the bread gets short, people will start to see their place in the hierarchy. It's also called the Imperial Boomerang. What goes around, comes around. Yankee gets what Yankee deserves.
Despite the wall of text, you're not wrong. This was an appreciated comment. I do think it's incredibly important for folks to remain vigilant, and probably get armed, but at least vigilant as a community. Times aren't good for any lefty when the SecDef says he believes there are "irreconcilable differences between the Left and the Right in America leading to perpetual conflict that cannot be resolved through the political process". Sounds like violence to me, friends.
The left should gatekeep this, yall can always host your own instance and yell into a void
Yes more leftist echo chambers. That's sure to bring the masses to our cause. I guess we don't really share a cause. No wonder right-wing fascism is getting so popular.
we definitely dont share a cause lmao, you're a hateful little bitch, hang on to your gun when you sleep at night
Sounds like projection to me. If you think segregating the left is the correct course of action, I can't agree. Unity is what NEEDS to happen.
Are you surprised that misogyny gets them banned?
Yeah that whole situation was stupid.
I still cannot believe they legitimately think multiple death threats (even if they were ridiculous) aren't as bad as my original "misogynistic" comment.
Most of the mods on Lemmy are a joke and a good majority of the users themselves are lost. It's whatever.
Our only hope is that more users with varying options join over time and they simply get overwhelmed by people having normal ass opinions.
Or they double down and start banning people even sooner.
Only time will tell if Lemmy grows or they will drive into a slow death.
Why are you here then? Banned from reddit?
I'll tell you I've never been censored for saying Jews are commiting a genocide against the Palestinians on Reddit. Say it here though and you'll be censored and labeled a racist. I've never been banned from huge swaths of servers for "ignorant lib chauvinism," on Reddit. Not once in the 14 years I used the platform.
I've had all 3 of my reddit accounts banned for that
I've been censored for that many times. So have a whole lot of other people here. So you must be oen of the luckiest people alive. Go buy a lottery ticket.
If thats your truth, cool, but you cant deny that a lot of people here are reddit banning refugees, and they mostly say it was because of zionist mods pushing their agenda.
If that's your truth then fine, but just know Lemmy is at least as censorship heavy and echochambery as Reddit. About the only thing I can say here that I can't on Reddit is Luigi.
I've spotted tons of death threats, misandry, and calls to violence here. Those aren't good ingredients to build a reddit replacement.
Its okay to be scared <3
What's to be scared of? Certainly not feckless tankie keyboard warriors.
ofc the mf complaining about death threats posts his tactical gear, okay tough guy
Gear for defense is necessary for protection against tankie/fascist needlessly bloody revolution.
Don't be jealous because you can't have cool things in neo-libs California.
Isn't that why most people are here at this point? I know the original Exodus started with the whole API thing but I think Lemmy is majority ex-reddit users who got banned in the last year or so. My ban came outta nowhere and they didn't even tell me what rule I broke. When I appealed asking what rule I had broken they instantly denied it without clarifying what rule I had supposedly broken. I had been banned from a handful of random subs over the years for various stupid things but I had never ticked off any admin or anything. I'm not the only person who had an account with hundreds of thousands of karma that was almost as old as the site just randomly get thanos snapped either.
Agreed. When I first came here I thought Lemmy would be open to all points of view.
Lemmy already experienced Wolfballs, the de-facto right-wing instance, which their admin closed once they realized they were hosting a Nazi bar who were actually serious about White Nationalist nonsense and not just joking to "troll the lib snowflake". We tried it, it wasn't fun. Free speech absolutism is a pointless idealist approach to society - building a community where anyone can express anything will drive away people who want useful discussions and don't want to be regularly dehumanized for their existence (not their opinions or acts, but their existence). Diversity of opinion and the freedom to express is productive and constructive, but only up to a point. If someone came on here and persistently and seriously advocated that everyone whose name begins with an "M" should be publicly executed..... what's the point in tolerating that point of view? It brings none of the benefits of free expression. It's a waste of time that doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. And if it weren't so silly and people actually did get lynched for having a name starting with "M", it would be threatening and make people uncomfortable being here. If this "M" example seems too ridiculous, replace it with something equally pointless like "not being straight" or "not being white", which people do get killed for.
If this site were sprinkled with literal neo-Nazis and child abuse advocates (this isn't a mythical "what if", one can go to plenty of "free speech extremist" forums to see these people in action), then would you stick around? I'd go to somewhere else where I wouldn't have to see that pointless trash. And this isn't because of some mindless intolerance of political views - I've had serious political conversations with actual Mussolini-reading Fascists - but because some points of view are inherently antisocial, willfully repulsive and exclusionary, and they inevitably destroy communities. There's no material reason to be open to their antisocial points of view, it doesn't benefit the community or bring useful insight. It's an abstract right which causes more harm than benefit, more oppression than liberty. It's a waste of time and space.
All points of view can exist on different instances. Doesn't mean that every instance has to federate with all other instances
Unfortunately no lol. Lemmy has a handful of stances that are "allowed" and if you stray from those you're toast.
You can get banned from entire instances just because the mod of that instance saw you make a comment they didn't like on a completely different instance and sub.
It's fine though. Each instance can do whatever they want. I do think it inhibits growth and actual discussions from taking place though. If you ban everyone that thinks even slightly differently than you it just means you're left with a bunch of people that all pretty much agree I everything. Not exactly a riveting conversation.
Not just bans. People in the Fediverse are knee jerk blockers too. Disagree with me? Blocked. Wow, now everyone agrees with me, so my take must be correct.
I dont see anything wrong with that.
You dont? Fucking blocked
oh no, please not that...
Yeah ... I mean everyone is allowed to Taylor their experience however they want but I never block people because I never want to put myself into an echo chamber where I only ever see or hear opinions I already agree with.
People arent at the best on anonymous internet forums. While I believe in free speech, I dont believe I am required to sit around and lend them my ear if they have proven themselves to be terrible. That being said, I dont ban right away, I make sure first. I dont feel bad about that at all-- I think it cuts down on slapfights. No one likes slapfights.
good for you I want an echo chamber, listening to stupid mfs opinions for the last 10 years has done me no favors, the type of mf that I dont want to talk to is the one who refuses growth and doesnt change their mind off new information, instead they double down on their beliefs because of whatever stupid reason
See the difference between us is that because I never block anyone I might hear or see a perspective or idea I've never considered before and I might take stock of my current position and change. Whereas with your method you are cutting off that chance and then just locking in on your current stances assuming they are currently correct and will always be correct forever which I find to be an idiotic stance to have.
I can admit that all of my positions might not be perfect because I still haven't thought about every single thing or learned every single thing there is to learn. It is illogical to assume that I already know everything and no longer need to consider anything else.
I don't know about you but my political stances have changed over the years. Certain from a young kid to my teen years. And again from my teens to my young adult years. And yet again as I have gotten older. I am sure they will continue to shift and grow as I grow as a a person.
I research my opinions, I dont base them off conversations with strangers on the internet who all have their own agendas. Republicans are not changing their minds and arent open to new opinions unless the source is one of their own and even then theyll turn on them it its too far from what they know.
The whole image seems made to be satirical. We're all in our own bubbles so for anyone to judge another person for the same thing is a wild take.
I don't mind being in a bubble here cause it is safe and nice to be among like-minded people, but at least I am aware I am in a bubble.
The difference is the immense filters reddit use to ban people, now it's even a new account or a simple comment is a potential shadowban, aside from the right leaning of the site because of musk. I was visiting the shadowban sub, and majority of the people are just getting straight up banned, for creating an account or accidentally using a vpn
Most of the people I've seen on Lemmy do not react particularly well whenever the conversation of it being an echo chamber or a bubble comes up. I would say that most are either blind to it are in denial about it at the very least.
Maybe not everyone agrees with me that this is a bubble, but at least I feel like I am with like minded people and can be pretty sure that what I consider to be hateful shit will be downvoted, and I'm happy being in a space like that.
At the same time, I don't really blame people that don't realize they're in an echo chamber (whether here or on Reddit or anywhere), it's just social media working as intended.