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Seems like it's an issue for potential new joiners
this post was submitted on 09 Apr 2025
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There's no way to revert the warning, at least without forking the app. Also, I'd expect most people to accept the idea applications once you tell the purpose (to fight bots).
I'm not going to tell them that because it's not really true, we currently have automated solutions for bot detection and banning that are way more user-friendly as they eliminate that process of being slowly, manually deemed worthy. They're just unfortunately slightly more effort to set up. I'll just recommend people join the few servers that use them and allow open sign-ups without having to justify why you want to join lemmy.
Could you inform me of the servers that use these methods? I knew they existed, but I lack information on which instances employ them.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/41815076/17945397
I believe lemmings.world also uses one but I could be wrong.
CC: @[email protected]
I see. @[email protected], do you think it would be possible to change the message to make it less "scary" to potential new joiners?
Sure, you'd just have to change this line, though I'm no sure what would be better.
It's a longer message, but much more casual and friendly.
Admins don't manually check each application for the largest servers
I knew that, but didn't feel the need to include that because that is far from the norm. I still feel like my original message is pretty good and friendly; we could make slight modifications.
I would just go from
Seems less formal the application, and removes the "select" aspect (which is deterrent based on the Reddit comments).
@[email protected], what do you think?
But that doesn't make it clear that the application needs to be approved before the user can use their account.
Because that's not always the case. For LW for instance
https://lemmy.world/post/27088404/15832884
Hm, that's far from typical so I'm not sure how a generic dialogue would accommodate both. World might want to hide the dialogue on web front ends, though I'm not sure how to also get that reflected in apps like Mlem.
Lemm.ee also automated some the detection of bad actors
https://lemm.ee/post/57987370/18836511
Edit: SJW as well based on the parent comment
SJW doesn't have an application question and this from Sunaurus in the parent comment seems to imply they manually approve applications as well:
I'd be interested to know how World automates their sign up process. Guessing from their application question they might just look for the phrase "I agree to the TOS" in answers, which would be fairly simple to implement but I wouldn't personally feel confident in it.
World just has a bot that checks the answer and also if the person's email is a known temp email (or not a whitelisted email provider). They also seem to have modified it so the application is sent at the same time as email verification.
Hello @[email protected], could you please provide more details, without revealing too much?
Most applications are handled automatically, a smaller percentage is sent to manual approval for admins. This is based on different signals and the aim is to potentially reduce some abuse, or at least make it a bit harder.
Median time for accepting applications in the past month on lemm.ee was 1 minute and 42 seconds. And that includes the time it took for users to manually verify their e-mails first.
Amazing, thanks
FYI @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
The delay itself is friction actually but I don't think that's avoidable I guess. In an ideal world you'd be off and going as soon as you hit register.
Maybe something like
or something sounds less scary than needing to be approved.
Some instances have an automated process, see my other comment